Why We Cling To Emotions - MIND

Your mind can feel like a nonstop commentator, replaying the same worries, criticisms, and worst-case stories on loop. We’re sitting by the lake with coffee, talking about a skill that changes everything: observing the mind. When you can watch a thought arrive without instantly believing it, you discover something steady underneath the noise, the awareness that notices. That’s where real freedom starts, and it’s also where the conversation naturally touches spirituality without drifting into vague talk. 

We dig into practical tools for stepping back, including the core reframe “I am not my thoughts, I am the thinker, I can choose what I think.” We also share how self-hypnosis and “preloaded thoughts” can help you interrupt negative self-talk in the moment, not by pretending you’re fine, but by giving your nervous system a trained pathway back to calm. Along the way we use a Zen koan and a deceptively simple question from a stage hypnotist: which weighs more, fifty pounds of feathers or fifty pounds of thoughts? 

Then we go deeper into the part most people don’t expect: why we sometimes cling to anger, sadness, or self-pity even when it feels awful. We connect that stickiness to early childhood learning, when big feelings were the fastest way to get comfort, attention, and reassurance that we’re lovable. As adults, that old program can keep us reactive and dependent. Observation plus compassion helps us ask a new question: what do I need right now? 

We wrap with a concrete approach to anxiety and emotional regulation: make fear specific. “What exactly am I afraid will happen?” turns generalized dread into something you can evaluate, plan for, and move through. If you want mindfulness that’s usable, grounded, and immediately empowering, hit play, then subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

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Lakeside Opening And The Mind

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We are on the line.

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Beautiful. I like being on the line. It's a nice day. There's a little bit of haze. There's still shadows, and the water is still, and the flowers are gently moving side to side in the slightest breeze.

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The water fountain is fountaining.

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So here we are in the setting of another day by the lake, drinking coffee and talking about stuff. Stuff to do with the mind.

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So that's how we're going to roll.

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Yeah. Because the mind is connected to spirit. But for most of us, just trying to cope with our mind is the hard part every day. Yep. Just trying to deal with the emotions

The Mind As A Repeating Habit

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and the thoughts that come upon us.

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Yeah.

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You know, and and that might be a nice summary, you know, just to let's just recap what we know. We know that the mind is a habit.

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Yeah.

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It thinks the same same things every day, over and over, and most of those things that it thinks are negative, and science has measured that and monitored that and has repeated the studies. We just know that the mind repeats itself with thoughts. And the answer, of course, to that kind of chaos is to observe. And that's the first most powerful thing you can do is observe your mind. Because in doing so, you realize that something that's essential, and this is why I think you know our work spreads right into the spiritual, right? That your mind is very, very active, but it's not who you are. If you can observe your mind, if you can observe the thoughts in your mind, if you can recognize that those thoughts are repetitive, if you can see how those thoughts just come upon you, and I think that's so important to realize that thoughts just come upon us. Our mind is an active thing, and everybody has the same experience of kind of a chaotic influx of thoughts as things happen around us.

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Yeah.

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But when we can observe that, that means we are not our thoughts. I am the awareness behind that. I am the one that can observe.

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Yeah.

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I am the one that can control those thoughts. Because you can. It's hard to sometimes. Those thoughts can be very fast and very furious and very engaging. But at any time you can say, nope, nope, not going to think about that. And actively

The Observer Behind The Thoughts

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put in your mind something you do want to think. Yeah. And so I go out of my way to teach my clients self-hypnosis because that's uh what we call them preloaded thoughts. When I don't like what I'm thinking, I can immediately pull up one of my preloaded thoughts, one of these things I've practiced over and over and over and over. And immediately it changes the way we feel. Immediately.

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Yeah.

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And the more you stay with it, the more it can change how you feel. And so when you become that awareness that observes the mind, you start to see yourself and your thoughts and your experiences differently. And when you step deeper into that awareness, that's when this whole pursuit of the mind becomes spiritual.

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Yeah. Yeah, because you start to see yourself as much more than your thoughts. It feels like thoughts just happen to us. Right? You're just sitting and there's thoughts. And how do you well we're gonna go over it, but you know, how do you take back control of those thoughts?

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And I think that's life's greatest battle. I think that when you can get yourself practiced to the point where you can observe your thoughts, that you can observe your emotions, that you can observe what's going on around you in a way that says, this is not about me. These are just events, they mean nothing about me. And these emotions that they evoke are simply messages telling me to keep an eye out for certain things. And when I can do that in a calm, controlled state, which is possible because there are many people who have proven that that's possible over history, then I am in a position to be using my mind instead of my mind using me. My subconscious mind just wants to help, just wants to take care of me. So it's throwing these crazy thoughts into my head over and over and over in rapid fire beyond anything that seems rational, even reasonable, right? It's just firing these thoughts in there.

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Yeah.

A Zen Koan On Contrast

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I I uh if there's yesterday my sister was visiting, we were talking about coins, which is kind of a it's a sort of a mental problem that causes you to think differently. And it's it's comes out of Zen Buddhism and it's a really cool thing. My favorite cohen, the first first time a cohen really hooked me, was the cohen was when the right, when the white rabbit steps onto the snow, it changes color.

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I'm not done enough.

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What does that mean?

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That's exactly the point. The point is it's like, oh, there's something inside you that says, oh, there's a bit of truth in that. But for me, there it's filled with lessons, and one of the lessons that I find easy to go to is contrast. Right. The color of the white snow and the color of the white rabbit are very different.

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Yeah.

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And I look at the white rabbit as a white rabbit until it steps onto the snow.

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Oh.

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And now it's kind of gray, kind of brown, as contrasts.

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Right.

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You know, think about that with your emotions, right? I am happy until I'm not. Right? It's amazing how you know I can be in sadness until something that contrasts that sadness comes about.

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Yes.

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And then the emotion changes. It's just about contrast, it's just an interesting thought. You know, and and I guess all of this is just driving at our minds, are interestingly complex until we step back and observe them and become that awareness that can see what our thoughts are.

Fifty Pounds Of Feathers Or Thoughts

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So, in the spirit of a clone, uh, we met, um, we've met a few times, a hypnotist named Luke. I don't know if I can remember his last name right now, at the Canadian Hypnosis Conference. And he he he's always a really dynamic speaker, and he does hypnosis shows, and he's he's just a really enjoyable speaker. And his way of getting clients out of that thought mire that they can find themselves in, is he'll ask them this question, which I consider like a comb. Which weighs more? 50 pounds of feathers or 50 pounds of thoughts? Because we do, we feel weighed down by our thoughts. But they don't weigh anything. Yeah, they're not really real. Yeah, they're just a habit, they're just a pattern. And when they become observed instead of engaged, right? Think of the difference of your mind on a normal day coming up with a million things, just chirping at you the whole day, right? And you're just trying to follow along. And you just feel so agitated, and you feel so confused, and you feel like you don't know what to do next, and you don't know how to manage yourself, and you don't know how to manage your life, and it gets you really in a sense of despair, versus saying, Wow, look at my mind today, it's just going, it's just going. I wonder what's up. It's got my mind going. It's such a such a fury.

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Yeah.

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And that stepping back and observing changes our state. Our state of mind, if you were.

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I think. Yeah, if anyone wants to look him up.

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He's a neat guy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, very talented into this. So, with all of that said, you know, if we can reach the point where that reframe, you know, it's really basically the first reframe on our school. It's the first reframe I teach my clients. You know, if we get to that reframe, I am not my thoughts. I am the thinker. I can choose what I think. If we can get to that place, it's incredibly empowering. And that's just sort of knowing who you really are. I'm not these thoughts, I'm not these emotions, I'm not this confusion, I'm not the this fury of thoughts and stuff going through my mind. Yeah. And then step back into that observer place. It's the most powerful first thing you can learn about your mind. Stepping back into the observer place. But

Why We Cling To Bad Feelings

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I guess what I want to talk about is when we cling to our thoughts.

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Yes.

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Because working with clients and working on myself, most importantly.

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It's amazing how often my thoughts get away on me. They just take me over. Yeah.

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It's almost like there's an addiction to the feeling, even though it sucks. That feeling. There's like I want to hold on to this. I want to sit on the couch and under a blanket and and just feel like poop, you know.

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I think that's a perfect description.

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Yeah. Yeah. And for me, you know, I guess to get a little personal, I yeah, I I when it does hit me that I'm not talking about like maybe day-to-day thoughts, but if I get angry, if I if I get sad or something like that, like a really big emotion, I tend to like shut down and go inwards and hope hope that somebody notices. That's funny. And yeah, I get so I do I do things like sit on the couch and stew, or go in my room and slam the door, or start like you know, not breaking dishes, but moving dishes forcefully. And those are those are things that I do to get attention, to try to get attention. And when I was younger, sorry, when I was younger, you know, people with family, not people, family would say, you know, I can't read your mind. What do you want? But I come from spirit and I can read my starting skinning. Um, so I think everybody can. No, but I get I get yeah, I get really caught up in the emotion. But instead of becoming the observer and pulling back, I just crave the the love, the are you okay, what's going on?

SPEAKER_03 14:51

You know, that's that's exactly what you mean. You stated the problem. Well, the first thing you you did, the way you laughed when you started to observe yourself. I think that's really possible for all of us. This is not dissimilar to the stuff we were talking about in terms of suffering, yeah, and how suffering is persistent. Yeah, it's resisting what is, it's it's not moving into response mode, it's staying in emotional reactions.

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Yeah.

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But it's amazing how when we start to observe ourselves, it kind of seems funny. We can see the, I'm gonna use the word childishness of it, and I think that that's the insight, that's where the power starts. You see, because when we're young, and this is I think of this as a program.

The Childhood Program That Seeks Love

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So I'll have I'll have somebody in the chair, and they will be resisting changing their mind.

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Yeah.

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Right. And it isn't it isn't because I'm not listening, it's just that they're not getting what they're seeking. Right? What I'm doing is telling them, oh, think, step back, observe your mind, notice how you can see this, notice how you can choose it, notice how you can choose something different, hear something different, try self-hypnosis. It's like, no, I'm not interested in any of that. Like, stop it. I don't want to change what I think. Right. And that comes from, I believe, you know, even prior to us being even verbal, when we are little kids, one of the beautiful things we look at is when a child is sad or hurt or unhappy, the way they get just enveloped in physical affection and love. And the physical affection is the expression of love.

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Yeah.

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When somebody takes all of their focus and energy and puts it on us. And sometimes we don't want somebody to tell us, here's how you could fix your mind. Like they just take off, leave me alone. What they want is to be picked up and held.

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Yeah.

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Have you ever noticed, like, even as an adult, if you're super angry and your partner, somebody comes and like gives you a hug, it's like immediate crying, right? Like you just want that.

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And we we we sit in those sad emotions, right? Like a baby lies in the crib and cries, like a two-year-old skins their knee and sits on the floor and cries until someone comes along and says, Okay, baby, it's gonna be okay. Come here, hug, kisses. Let's, you know, let's get a band-aid and let's give you some attention and give you some love. And and when things aren't going well, we become dependent on others to bring us love. And even as an adult, when we find ourselves sad or frustrated, or you know, a whole list here. When we feel pain or sadness or loneliness or shame or guilt or hurt, all of these things, what we want is some love. What we want is to be reminded we're lovable. What we want is some release from these negative emotions into a positive emotion. That's what we're seeking. And babies don't know how to say, hey, do you think you could come and give me some love? They just cry. And little kids, when things go wrong, they don't say, Oh, I don't know how to solve this. Could you come and give me some love? They just cry. And they reach an age where they no longer get picked up and hugged. At some point or another, you reach an age where the people who historically have picked you up and hugged you say, Deal with it. If you don't stop crying, I'll give you something to cry about.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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We are using all the things we've learned since we were nonverbal to try to ask for loving affection, and we're not getting it anymore.

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Yeah.

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But even as adults, what we learn is that when I pout, when I go into brooding and hauling and sitting with an unhappy face, I get attention. Somebody says, What's wrong with you? What's going on for you? Right? And hopefully they say it in a very loving way, but sometimes they say it in an impatient way.

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Yeah.

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And the thing of it is, is we cling to that. We cling to our unhappy feelings. We don't want to think differently because we're in the habit of finding love by acting this way. It's a program.

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Yeah.

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It's a program that gets built when we're very, very young. And our parents don't, well, they they live the same way. They had the same experience. They too. It's amazing how you know you could be 50 years old and walking around the house pudding because you're not getting what you want, right? And wanting somebody to notice that things aren't going your way and wanting somebody to care. And sometimes if that doesn't happen, then we start complaining. You know, I look at people who complain a lot, and I think these are people that just yearn for love. They yearn for somebody to say they care. They don't even want you to fix it. Isn't that the big thing? You know, men want to fix it, and women just want you to care.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. And although the world, the word childish is, I think, a bit derogatory. It's very, very much a program we learned as children that we continue as adults because nobody ever had the ability to say, well, what comes next?

Becoming Your Own Compassionate Support

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You've fallen and you've skinned your knee, and I'm gonna love you and put the band-aid on you. But someday you're gonna fall and skin your knee, and you're gonna have to take care of this for yourself.

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Yeah.

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And that's when you have to be able to shift to that observer position and say, This is my emotion. What does that mean? These are my thoughts. What does that mean?

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Yeah.

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And then be able to say to yourself, ask yourself, what do I need? What do I need right now? I think that for a little kid, when they fall and they skin their knee, they don't know what to do.

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Yeah.

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They just feel the pain and see the blood, and they don't understand. As an adult, we see that they are. Abrasion and the blood, and we know, okay, let's get some disinfectant, let's put a band-aid on it.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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It's gonna hurt for a little while, but it's gonna go away. We we don't get trained on how to observe, so we don't get trained on how to respond autonomously. It's a crazy thing to say, but sometimes you need to be your own source of loving compassion.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

Can you imagine? Sorry, like what just came into my mind, can you imagine teaching children to observe their thoughts? Wouldn't that be so amazing? They would be so good at it, I think.

SPEAKER_03 22:47

And there are schools that do exactly. And and this reminds me of those studies that I've talked about before where they send kids to school and there is absolutely no evaluation of their work, just observation. And so there's no competition, and then there becomes no seeking of the teacher's attention if there becomes, you know, a collaboration that takes place between the little kids.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Yeah. So besides skinning your knee, you know, what about when you're holding on to like anger at another human or something, right? What uh is that the same as skinning your knee?

SPEAKER_03 23:28

Well, I think it's I think events happen, we interpret them and we have emotions. And those emotions are meant to give us information on what to do, what we need to do. But I think as children, we learn to just cling to emotions until somebody gives us love. Yeah. And so, you know, it's really amazing to see adults caught up in what we might call self-pity.

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Right?

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Feeling sorry for yourself today, are you less? You know, those kinds of thought cycles, right? Thought spins where you can't break out of this thing is unfair, life is unfair, my life is not what I want it to be, you know, and there's nothing gonna change. And we get caught in those kinds of really cycles because as a child, that works, right? I mean, we've all seen that little kids fall, they skin their knee, they cry. There's nobody listening, they cry louder. Right? Yeah, they just come on, hey, what's going on here? Where's where's my source of love? Yeah, I think that it doesn't really matter whether it's a skinned knee or a broken heart. You know, we reach a point where we want someone else to come and love us, tell us we're okay. And so we sit in those sad feelings, or we complain about those sad feelings, yeah, or we walk around in a mood until somebody notices. And we we when we observe it, we can laugh at it at ourselves, but at the time it's so intense because the love remains unsatisfied.

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Yeah, yeah. So, how do we fix it?

SPEAKER_03 25:28

I think that the magic starts with observing. That's an incredible talent, and it can be homed, it can become the habit. You know, we talk about I am being this enormous idea. You know, we often get brought into I am sad, I am all alone, I am in a life that's totally dissatisfying, right? And then we cling to that and we've convinced ourselves that we're there when really a more accurate observation is oh, there's sadness inside me because things aren't going my way.

Emotions As Messages Not Identities

SPEAKER_03 26:08

Right, and that observation goes, huh? That observation almost invites solutions, right? That observation requires an awareness that I'm a worthwhile human being, and things don't need to be this way, that I'm a powerful human being, and I can do something about my situation. And when we can move our thoughts from the you know, sort of poor, poor, pitiful me to the you know, I am a strong and intelligent person, I am capable of getting through this, I am capable of learning anything, and in learning anything, I can do anything, right? To move into those kinds of thoughts. Well, there's just no room now for that pattern we learned as kids to look outside ourselves for soothing and comfort, yeah, and it's not that getting comfort and soothing and love from outside yourself is bad, it's a wonderful thing. But when you're reliant on others to give you what you think you need, they have power over you. Right? If I care, it's an old, it's an old Taoist saying, if I care what somebody thinks I am, they're prisoner.

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Yeah.

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And so it's about observing this and saying, hey, you know, this isn't helping me. This isn't getting me anywhere. This isn't, this isn't the way I want to think. I am not my thoughts. I am the thinker. I can choose what I think. And then go to some preloaded thoughts that get you out of that kind of low place and bring you to the place where you can now start thinking. You can now start observing the situation rather than being the situation. You start to observe the situation. And I think understanding how emotions are messages is the powerful part of that. If I'm sad, I've lost something. What have I lost? How can I get that back? How can I feel better about this? If I'm angry, something's unfair. So if it's unfair, how can I make this fair? Right? A little child doesn't have that capacity, right? A little child is being taught to sit and cry until somebody comes along. Yeah, right. And unfortunately, we carry that pattern as a program into our adult life. And that to me is like, wow. Wow, I don't have to sit here and feel bad. I can do something about it. And the first thing I can do is instead of being that emotion, instead of being that negative thought, I can observe that.

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Yeah.

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And then I become back and move back into that place who I really am. Right. I am the awareness behind these things.

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I am the awareness that can observe this body, this mind. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

I find when I try that, that my sometimes it works, but a lot of the time there's that little talking head saying, yeah, but they did this. And I wanna, oh I gotta tell them before I can feel better, or I gotta stew about it.

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They hurt me, hurt them.

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Yeah. So yeah.

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That's I think that you know, again, it's we can't look at ourselves critically. There's no value in that. To look at ourselves compassionately, and it starts with just we all, every single one of us, there's nobody except every single one of us have inside us a whole bunch of programs and rules and values and ways of thinking of things that were programmed into us long before we knew we even had a mind. Right? And hey, it's okay. The good news is you're learning how to observe it. The good news is it doesn't have to stay that way. It's okay. Everybody, this is as I say it, oh my god, this is normal, right? What does that make you normal? Yeah, there's nothing to judge here, there's no reason to think badly of yourself.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So notice the emotion if you can, and then say to the emotion well, just respond to the emotion rather than to react. Respond to the emotion instead of clinging to it. Yeah, instead of saying, I am angry. And that means now for the next two hours, I'm stomping around the house and I'm slamming things and I'm treating everybody curtly, and I'm that those are good conditions. The bad conditions are some people, I am angry, and that makes it okay for me to hurt people and break things and and you know go out into the community and act like a mean, grumpy old man, right? That's that's more of the worst case scenario. Yeah, no matter what either case scenario, if you can step back and observe, I'm not my thoughts. Yeah, I'm the thinker. What are these thoughts that I'm thinking? Where do they come from? What is this emotion that I'm feeling? And what does this emotion mean? Every emotion has a meaning.

Anxiety Shrinks When Fear Gets Specific

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Now, if I understand meaning, I am afraid. And I look for what am I afraid of? I think it's a silly, silly idea, and there will be tons of people who condemn me for saying it. But I've found a great deal of success in hypnosis by simply saying to people who are anxious, what exactly are you afraid of? And then spend time on that question until you get to the specifics. And sometimes the specifics are something that is just so non-impossible that you realize, oh, I don't need to be afraid of it. Yeah. Right? Because what'll happen is we shift from the situation, we shift to the emotion, and then we cling to the emotion. We go from, oh, this is difficult. I have some fear about this. You know, somebody says you gotta make a presentation at work, and you go to, you know, oh, I have some fear about this. What is that fear? What am I afraid of? You go to, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, for the next five days, right? I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm scared. You keep clinging to it and pulling it to you. And I am, I am, I am, all these things. And at this point, you're so far removed from the actual fear, what you're actually afraid of, that you now have this generalized feeling of anxiety.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Yeah.

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That I'm just afraid. I'm just afraid of being at work, I'm just afraid of everything. And my fears start to become imagination, we call it worry, and the imagination starts to think about all the things bad that could happen, and then we get afraid of those two. And pretty soon we've got all this fear stacked on fear, and we just have this generalized anxiety. And so I've just found that sometimes the best way to deal with fear is try to get to the specifics. What am I afraid of? What am I afraid will happen? What am I afraid will happen to me? Because that's what the fear is there for. Is to get you to strategize. Okay, what am I afraid of now? How do I avoid that? And then your fear becomes your friend. Then you can say to your fear, how do I do this anyway? I'm really afraid of making this TikTok video. Every day I get up, I get really afraid of that. Well, how do I how do I make this video on emotions? I'm gonna get really afraid. Oh, there's my face. Oh my god, I'm so ugly. Oh my god, I'm just gonna be awful. Oh my god, I shouldn't be the one talking. Oh, how can I make up an avatar? And then I get lost for two hours making up an avatar on AI so that people don't have to look at my face because I'm afraid that they're gonna say, Oh, he's old. We run away instead of saying, wait a second, there's fear in there. So, what am I really afraid? People won't like me. Oh, well, there's nothing new about that. Some people don't, but then again, some people love me.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Only the people that matter love you.

SPEAKER_03 35:21

But that that first step is observing, stepping back instead of saying, I am afraid, there's fear here. So, what am I afraid of? Every emotion has a message, and as we step back into that observer position, we can start to interpret what's going on inside our mind. Emotions, thoughts, reactions, and we start to see our programming. And then bit by bit, little by little bit, what matters is little by little, you start to gain control over your mind.

SPEAKER_01 36:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

I have lots to think about.

What We Explore Next And Goodbye

SPEAKER_03 36:16

I wonder how you might take this into a more spiritual topic tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:27

I was thinking about talking about guides, really breaking down almost for my own good, breaking down what we do on the school and having a sense of direction through it. While talking about guides and what they might be, what they might not be, what are we even doing here, all that stuff. Anyway, I'm sure it'll I'm sure it'll come together.

SPEAKER_03 37:03

Well, the best of what we talk about is always what we're learning for ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

Yeah. Exactly. All right, everyone. Thanks for joining. And have a lovely day. See you later.