The Money Scripts You Didn't Choose, Interview With Brian Rump

We unpack the hidden money scripts that shape behavior, from avoidance to undercharging, and show how safety—not hustle—is the lever that unlocks better choices. Brian Rump blends hypnosis, behavioral finance, and coaching to help rewrite your money story so it fits what you truly want.

• linking money stress to nervous system safety
• how childhood and generational beliefs program money behavior
• money avoidance and worthiness in helping professions
• pricing fears, assumptions about affordability, and quiet wealth
• reimagining capitalism by trusting good stewards with money
• choosing real wants over social media scripts
• safety as the reward that enables clear financial action
• practical first steps: awareness, breath, small tests, new identity

Brian’s hosting ‘The Money Scripts You Didn’t Choose And How They Run Your Life’ on Feb 28 inside The Infinite Mind on school. Find the link in the description. If you miss it, the replay and more classrooms are inside.

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Transcript

Tea, Snow, And Introducing Brian Rump

SPEAKER_02 0:10

We are online.

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It's overcast, and to nobody's surprise, it's snowing, but it's got warmer. And so the otters are out playing all the time. And the swans are back. And we're doing an afternoon thing.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

We are.

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So it's not coffee, it's tea.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Yes.

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And that's the sound.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

So we are having tea here in the afternoon with our good friend Brian Rump. He is all about money, but in the way that it is helpful for people to look at the struggles that they have with money mentally, maybe physically, and and help them feel safe with money.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

We've known Brian a while. He's a hypnotist. That gets him right in the front door. Yes. He's a hypnotist? He's a business coach. Calls himself a coach. It's kind of a cool name. Focus on fine dance. And you've done some study on this.

From Banking To Money Trauma Insights

Hypnosis Meets Finance

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Tell us about that. Yeah, so I think I've been studying my whole life. Money and money decisions and money trauma. And specifically, I did a program called The Trauma of Money that, you know, in so many ways is changed my life. So when I did trauma of money, my thinking was, oh, I'm going to learn all these things that I can help other people with. And around the same time I was doing that certification, I was doing my learning to be a hypnotist certification. And what I learned first and foremost in that program really changed my life, helped me see a lot about myself, my own money stories. And it really connected a lot of dots to all my frustrations I've had watching other people make money decisions my whole life. As you know, I started my career in banking. I did a course at Fleming College where I had to really study because the first test I got 71% and not the 99% that I wanted. And so I really worked at it. It was intro to financial management. And one day it all just kind of clicked for me. And I became really good at it. And it sent me down this path of wanting to work with businesses and money. And now it's been two decades of working with businesses and money. And early on, I would watch what people were doing. And I would, I think, be very kind of judgmental and sarcastic about it. Because you'd say, like, you know, people would say things like, Well, my kids are the most important to me. And you know, their future is my number one. And I want them to have a good education. But then August comes around and they start school in September and they're in your office because they didn't save a nickel for their kids' education. Yet they've got a truck, which you know, at the time would be, you know,$50,000, now would be$120,000, you know, trailer and all the toys. And you think, well, why, if that was important to them, would they not have saved any money? How could they not know these things? And that's kind of just a great micro example. And everyone has their whole version of it. And it really led me into you know, finance. I'm a fine print nerd when it came to working at the bank and how every product worked and the fine print worked, and you know, how you can kind of work within that system to get the best deal for yourself. But then understanding how we make decisions and behavioral economics. I had the opportunity to teach for several years at Fleming Finance and Economics. So I've just been immersed in all of these things. So trauma of money was in a way the icing on the cake, but also the gateway to you know how the mind and the money interact. And then how all the things we talk about on this podcast, you know, in the infinite mind on school, working and engaging with our minds, they all have a money link. So I love to yeah, kind of immerse myself in that idea of money. A lot of it's around financial safety, it's around our nervous system, it's around our state of mind. Because, like, kind of the math and the technical parts of money is really easy. Yeah, we can't, you know, most people say they're think they're bad with money or they're not where they want to be with money, they're not where they where they should be with money. And it's all financial programming. So we, you know, all the programming we you talk about on the podcast, there's a money element to it as well.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

Absolutely. Speaking of safety with money, depending on when you're listening to this, the 28th of February, Brian's going to be hosting a workshop in The Infinite Mind on school. And so the link to that will be in the description wherever you're listening. But if you don't make it to that, that will be in a classroom on school, and then there's gonna be extra classrooms with Brian taking people through everything money, I think. And but yeah, this weekend will be that workshop about that safety with money.

Safety, Nervous System, And Money

SPEAKER_00 6:28

Yeah, it's really the first step in if we want to kind of you know say tackle our money issues or start engaging in you know, money, you know, we can find out that just like all the programming we have, there's scripts involved. And I like using the analogy of story and rewriting your money story. And if we're have a story, then we've got some common scripts involved in it. So the workshop is called the money scripts you didn't choose and how they run your life, because most of us have these money scripts operating in the background that we don't even know about. Yet they run our life, they run our decisions we make with our finances. Um, if you're a business owner, there's often one that really stands out that in some ways has helped you get where you are, but it really limits your ability to get where you really want to go. So that's where I, as a business coach, get kind of tingly and excited because I think that's kind of the hinge of if we can engage in the mind, if we can bring those subconscious money scripts conscious, rewrite them a little bit, you know, then we can really go where we want to go in our business.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

Can you give a just for people that maybe have not heard about money scripts or patterns involving money, but they live it, but they just don't understand it. What would be an uh an example?

SPEAKER_00 8:08

Yeah, so money scripts came out of this was a financial psychologist or psychologist named uh Brad Clawens, who identified some core money scripts. So, you know, a really common one that I see a lot is money avoidance. So, money avoidance, you know, people have heard even the good old Catholic or Bible saying, you know, money is the root of all evil. That is where we start this script that could engage ideas like, you know, money equals greed equals bad. So I don't want to have money. So I start avoiding money. There can also be parts of our worth in there. I don't deserve to have money, so I avoid making money. It shows up in business as people who are afraid to charge money for things or ask for you know what the service is worth. It can be just avoiding your bank account. So money avoidance is a big one, and a lot of business owners have that there. A lot of people who are in the kind of the business to help people, usually that's the one that's going to show up.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

For a lot of us.

Workshop: Money Scripts You Didn’t Choose

SPEAKER_02 9:32

I see that a lot, especially in the spiritual community. You know, things like Reiki or yoga. Yeah, once all the spiritual things you can think about. I see it. People just not wanting to charge because they feel bad or they they they think, well, I'm I'm here to help them.

Money Avoidance And Worthiness

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Or yeah, you know, yeah. So we you know, we we avoid money. We also have a tendency to absorb other people's money baggage as well and concerns. So they might say, Well, I don't want to charge them money, you know, they can't afford it, it's expensive. But you haven't even talked to that person yet. You don't know what they think is expensive, you don't know what their means are to afford things. You know, I have a great story about when I worked at a bank, I won't say the town, but there was a gentleman in town who wore the oldest coat I had ever seen. And you would often see this person walking in the ditches every day picking up bottles and you know, returning them to you know, for money. And you know, I watched him several times he'd go into a restaurant and people would buy him lunch because he looked like this old man who didn't have much money. But at the bank he had a nickname which was King of the Five Thousand GIC. And he probably had a hundred rotating five thousand dollar GICs, and almost every week he was in renewing some, and he had had a profession and he saved and he had a house, and it looked like a vintage house. But you know how you see those vintage houses that look like a timestamp because they're well maintained. No, nothing wrong with this person. The old coat he wore was just his old coat that he kept very clean and you know, fixed it, and you know, probably had some things. But if people were to assume, oh, this person they can't afford it, I don't want to take from them, but yet this person had probably the most money of anyone living in the town, right? Could definitely afford anything he wanted. But we make these judgments and assumptions, and then they can become you know our identity, and you know, they hold us back in business, they hold us back from charging money, right? And all that does is hurt you, yeah. In trauma of money, there's a great saying which is you know, learning that you can be trusted with money, and trauma of money has a lot of kind of ethos involved, and one of them is like reimagining capitalism and what capitalism is, and also reimagining wealth and knowing, like, you know, money should be in the hands of people who are trusted with money. So if we can learn internally to accept that suggestion that I can be trusted with money, the money should be in the hands of people who can be trusted with it. And it's often like the healers, the people who are helping people. And when they don't charge enough, usually they end up giving up and going and doing something else because they have needs that need to be met. So you're actually feeding the big capitalistic system by giving up and the world hurts. So, kind of in rewriting our money story, you know, some of the things we're doing is learning to be trusted with money, learning that not only do you deserve money, but it's better for the world if the money is in the hands of those who can be trusted with it who have done this work. And then you're able to, you know, kind of get over that, you know, that fear of charging. Right. That said, there's still lots of ways to have whatever you do be accessible to people who just frankly have different income levels.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Yeah, I'm just I'm having all kinds of little flashbacks here. When we talk about money, I think that it's just as much, if not more, subject to programs and experiences when we are kids. Yeah, right? When we were kids, and that and the the problem with it when we're kids is we're just so open to the understandings of money that our parents have. So for the last probably 10 years, one of the ones that I didn't think was a problem, I never thought I had a problem with it, but I had a program, and the program was money comes from work. Money comes from work. If I want money, I gotta go work, and that probably explains why I had two jobs for most of my life, right? But I didn't see it as a problem, I saw it as a solution, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:05

Yeah, it can be helpful.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

And it starts when you're six years old and you want an allowance, and your mom says, Well, here's your job, you do this in the house. For me, it was sweep down the stairs, yeah, clean up all the boots, and that was my 15 cents. So I was back in the dinosaurs right here. But the point is, is that that was a script that gave me a lot of confidence for a long time. I'm a big guy with a big back, I've done so many different things. Uh I love like the wide array of things I've done, from working in a medical lab to working on a drilling rig, right? Like I love that spectrum, and it was all work, and the work led to money, but it didn't do much for me when it came to investing.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

And you go out of your way, you know. I'm I'm revealing myself here, but I'll do it for the sake of our audience. You put away money, you put away money, and it sits in a bank account, and the bank calls you and says, We should invest this. And you go, Yeah, yeah, we should. And then you don't return the calls. And then you start realizing that you're not getting any return on your money, and years start to pass, and you're thinking, What the heck is wrong with me? And that's when I woke up. That's when I woke up to that script. I mean, I I had become a hypnotist already, so I was open to the idea that I had programs that needed to be sorted out, but it's really easy to think that what you have is an understanding that serves you until it doesn't care.

Pricing, Assumptions, And The “Quiet Wealthy”

SPEAKER_00 16:51

Yeah, I love that. And even just these we inherit our money beliefs. Money is attached to almost every story we have as a child. And that'll be, you know, one of the things we uncover a little bit in the workshop is to just start allowing those stories to come up. But what I resonate with with yours is that avoidance of you know, doing something with the money, right? And then you just let it kind of get away from you, and you're like, oh, if only I had you know done this thing.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

And then there's lots of people too who also know the thing to do, but they just can't do it. You know, that's resistance, or you know, there's an avoidance of engaging in these things. You know, we might think they're too complicated for us to understand, right? I hear a lot in business, well, I'm not really a money person. Yeah, you chose to get into business. It also links into marketing, right? The two most common things in business is people get in and they say, I'm not really into money and I don't really know anything about marketing. But yeah, when you choose to get into business, you choose to get into money and marketing. Basically, but we adopt these identities of like, oh, I don't know about that. I have these limiting beliefs of actually, I don't even like the term limiting beliefs because it implies there's something limiting about you. But these, you know, beliefs come in of, you know, money is only from earned. You know, other people, it's like, well, money just comes from my parents, right? They might grow up, and the biggest aha for them at a certain age is like, oh, it doesn't just show up for me. And everyone has their own mix of these things, and they're definitely you know inherited from our parents and from their parents. So we have to recognize, and part of the trauma of money model is you know, recognizing generational effects. You know, there's people operating today on programming that's a direct result of their maybe great grandparents who lived through the depression. And even the ones who live through the depression, their actual experience might not have been that bad, but the sentiment of the world at the time was, oh no, we're in a depression, we better, you know, do things differently and be afraid. So this fear kind of stacks generationally, and that kind of links to this idea of feeling financially safe, and another common thing people in saving is no amount is feels safe to them. And that can show up in one way is I just need more, more, more, more, more, and it never feels safe, or it doesn't feel safe to have money, so we avoid getting more money. So it's kind of nuanced and it shows up in different ways, which is why it's so tricky to engage with.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Yeah, I wonder if you speak generationally, and I wonder what's going to happen. And uh, you feel free to just dodge this because it's it's spicy. Um, I wonder what's going to happen in the next 20 years as we look back on this era that it's been revealed that some of the richest people in the world have misbehaved so badly and taken us in really unpleasant directions. I wonder what that's going to do to shape other people's views of what it means to be affluent, to be wealthy.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

Yeah, I would say I think one of the beautiful things about you know the internet and the way we can communicate is I think there's so much more opportunity to engage in your own thoughts and ideas and unpack some of this. You know, and rich people throughout time have always been able to get away with stuff. You know, even you know, there's I think some people through time who have great values, and they might have found ways to, you know, buy some of those great values, great perceptions. So when there are yeah, rich people who use that wealth and power to do bad things, it probably does balance out in a response of rich people. Who do use their money to do some good things. And they exist, right?

Childhood Programs And The “Money Comes From Work” Script

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Like I I think, you know, there's I don't want to name names of families because every every family's full of skeletons in their closets. Yeah. But you know, there's so much cool stuff in the world that's the result of families making donations and families creating foundations and trusts. And I think for me, like we're at a really great opportunity. You know, we've been talking a lot about what do we want? What do you want? Yeah. Right. And we're at, I believe we're at a point in the world's history where it's about what do we want from the world? What do we want from our leaders? What do we want from people who we want to give power to? What do we what do we want to expect from them? We're getting a clear idea of what we don't want to expect from them, right? We're getting a really clear idea that there's certain things that are just unacceptable. And people are speaking up, and people are looking around and they're saying, who can lead us that isn't going to guide us down these dark roads? Right. And this is a great opportunity, I think. I really believe in choice. I really believe in people imagining. I really believe in us, asking ourselves, what do we want? And what we want are wealthy people that see that the value of having money is how many lives you can impact positively, how much you can feed into a society with the things that might not be available but for people who have been able to accumulate wealth. And, you know, we want people who can be trusted with money. We want leaders that can be trusted with our money, not spending our tax dollars frivolously. We want people to be trusted with their money so that they're using it for the benefit of great businesses and new products and new ideas and new services. You know, I think we're allowed to imagine that. I think one of the problems we have is we have this deep, dark anger and resentment targeted at people with money. And it wasn't the money. Yeah, it's not the money. It's people's and their set of values. And we can ask for better than that. We can expect better than that. We can expect it of ourselves, we can expect it of others. You know, I think that the challenge of this time that we're facing is not to take away the wrong program, you know, not to take away the the anger and the resentments and the hatreds and the fears, but to take away the what's possible. What do I want? What would I want out of my leaders? What would I want out of people who have that financial success? Anyway, that's the kind of stuff I think about, Brian.

Generational Fear And Financial Safety

SPEAKER_00 25:01

Yeah, I love it because you know when you talk about what you want, I call it my favorite question to ask in all my coaching engagements. I joke and I call it the Spice Girls question, which is tell me what you want, but you really, really want. And everyone laughs, and then they dodge the question, myself included, because I think, you know, and for those listening, you know, the podcast, and you know, this is my my pitch to join the infinite mind on the school platform, is we have to really start engaging our own mind, our own programming to be able to kind of regulate and make ourselves feel safe enough so that what we want emerges. And that's a can be a long journey. So to be able to like know that that is the question. And I love linking everything to story, right? And a story doesn't start until a character wants something, right? So if we don't know what we want, we don't have a story yet. The best part of the story is when they get trumped, yeah. And then the and then they have a problem that gets in the way of what they want. Well, yeah, I want the girl, but oh no, that other guy's got the girl. That's my problem. I gotta find a way to disrupt that, right? Now there's a now there's a story going. Right. But we we realize that we get to be the author in our own story, both individually and collectively. So that idea of imagination and what we want, and when we can be free of these, you know, scripting and programming that doesn't align with what we want, you know, then we're free to choose the things we do want. And you know, the the good and the bad with our mass communication and our ability to connect is, yeah, we hear about a lot of bad and negative stuff, but when we can engage internally and move more positively, we can say, like, what do we want from you know people in power? How do we want to you know reimagine capitalism and put the you know money in the hands of the people who can be trusted with money? Um, and even as simple as not blaming money for the bad things. You know, these people are still gonna be doing bad things, whether they're billionaires or not. It's just a lot easier for them. There it is, to do it.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

And I think there's sorry to interrupt uh, I think there's a lot of I I had this conversation with a client last week because we were we were releasing this idea that everyone with money is bad. Right. And I just said maybe I don't know, reframe, maybe it was a reframe. This idea that you know, you you look at social media and the loudest voices are the ones that stand out, right? And they might not be right, but they're you know, the keyboard warriors and they're gonna stand out. So if you think about it in the terms of money, there's a lot of people with lots of money who are just quiet, right? They're not out there doing all this stuff, whatever. And so but we don't know where they are, who they are, and that's okay, right? But it lets you know that it's okay it's okay to have money, right? It can start to to look at it be safe, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:37

It's safe to hold wealth, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

So putting you on the spot, yeah. But you know what's on the other side? Let's say that I dive in and I want to understand all my money scripts and all my money stories, and I want to break free of all of those. What's the reward?

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Safety.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

Yeah.

Wealth, Values, And Reimagining Capitalism

SPEAKER_00 29:00

So, you know, I've been playing a lot with the idea of safety and you know, so much as calling my method, the financial safety method. Because I think when people first hear about money, they're like, Oh, you're gonna make me rich real fast, right? And it's not necessarily about rich and accumulating massive amounts of wealth or winning at the stock market. A lot of those dreams kind of come from some trauma as well, right? Or some hopes that, oh, all this money will fix me. But a lot of it is about safety. Are you safe in what you have? Are you reasonably safe in knowing what you want? Like it really comes down to kind of everything, probably everyone walks into hypnosis for is like, you know, for me anyway, it's like, well, what's wrong with me? I've got to fix myself. But then once you feel safe, you realize, oh, I have all these choices, right? Where do I want to live? Who do I want to be around? What's the life I want? And to me, there's these fundamentals of like, and as we go through even the trauma of money system, there's kind of a six-step process, and there's a vision phase of like, well, what do I want? So there's the how do I kind of make myself safe, untangle my story, uncover all these things, and then I kind of imagine what I want. And that's when we can look at, well, do I have enough money for what I want? Or what do I need to do to provision the lifestyle I want? And that's is different for everyone, right? If you want to be a billionaire, life, if you want a private jet and a mansion and you know, all these vacations, which are all from stories you've seen and accepted from someone else, right? You've accepted a suggestion that you should want this, but again, that's what you want. You know, now it's like, well, okay, what do I need to do to get there? So if I'm a business owner, if I'm investing, like what's what's the actual reasonable steps to do that? What's the resistance in my way? And I can go, you know, start building that.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

So you're saying that like safety gets in the way, the the feeling of unsafe, yeah, gets in the way. And is that with our nervous system?

SPEAKER_00 31:40

Yeah, I think our nervous system, our mind, you know, resistance pops up. So when we can feel safe in what we want, and then the financial safety of knowing, like, oh, I do have a freedom of choice here. To me, that's the reward. And it's hard when we're bombarded with all these ideas and shoulds, right? It's like, oh, you're this age, well, you should have this much money, right? There's people that are like, well, you should have a house that's paid for, you know, and even that idea alone, we can do a whole, we can probably do a whole podcast, should you own a house, and if it's a great money decision, because you know, the logical math answer is like no, but it depends on what time frame or age you're looking at, right? Right. But yet people get caught up in their identity of like, oh my gosh, I have to own a house. If I don't own a house, then how can I possibly be a whole successful person? Yet you might find that you don't want to own a house anymore, right? That you're happy renting or traveling, or you know, we start unpacking these ideas of what we want, you know, and then ideally, usually we learn that we're safer than we think we are. We have more choice than we think we have. Unless, you know, and then even people who are in poverty maybe have a lot of extra money trauma. Dealing with some of that maybe allows you more options than you think. Or I've met people who just think they're in piles and piles of debt and it's$2,000. Yet when I worked in the bank doing refinances almost 20 years ago, the magic number for anyone who came in who had like credit card debts or credit cards they quote unquote had forgot about, it always seemed to be around$80,000. And to them, that wasn't that much, right? So there's like perspective, there's finding safety, there's coming back to yourself. And you know, one of the things I like to say I do is we want to like, I'm not gonna rewrite your money story, but you want to make your nervous system feel safe enough so that money story you really want can emerge, you know, and then we can start moving towards it. And I do believe it is unique to everyone. And most of us, even when you talk to people, want peace, they want quiet, they don't really need as much money as maybe they think they need. You know, that's another whole element is a lot of people way over save for what they're actually gonna need in their life, because they've been bombarded with Freedom 55 commercials since they were a little kid, right? And this fear that, oh, the world's gonna fall apart. So if you don't have four million dollars when you retire, like you're gonna starve when in reality, you know, maybe a quarter of that is gonna be more than enough. So part of the safety is unpacking some of those stories in a safe way where your body feels safe as well to be able to engage in it and have these types of discussions because a lot of people have been programmed with like even the idea of like, well, if I don't work, I'll starve. But maybe people could, you know, they could take a whole year off of work, and it's not really going to impact them at all, and that's scary.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

And what was I thinking just then? When it comes to what do we want, like you said earlier, like that's a hard question to ask ourselves because we we just don't often think about it. I think we take on what oh, I want what they have.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

Yeah, we accept rather than talk about the idea of accepting suggestions. Yeah, sometimes now I'm like, do I want that? Or did I accept a suggestion that I should want that?

SPEAKER_03 36:27

Yeah.

The Spice Girls Question: What Do You Want

SPEAKER_00 36:28

And I will I openly share most of my life, most of my wants. I'm like, our goals kind of absorbed to please someone else, with some common threads that's kept me on a you know, a track that I'm reasonably happy with. But when I really unpack it, I'm like, oh, do I really want this thing? Yeah, what do I love? And even something as simple as like I do love vacationing, but I like love looking at sunsets in different places of the world. So I know you guys are a fan of Cuba. I think if a one Cuba trip I've been on, and that beach sitting there is amazing. The resort I was at didn't have great food, but they had a ping roast on the beach every day. So it's like I had a simple bun with some pork on it, well, it can have this beach. Like that's the joy I get. And you could do the the$1,000 version of that, or you can do the$10,000 version of it. And it's kind of the same experience, right? So even that, what do I want? You know, we open up Instagram and it's telling us all these things we should want. And they invite us into these stories that are awesome, and yeah, it would be cool. But when you realize, like, oh, I'm the author, I get to choose, like, I can't do all these stories, like, what are the ones I want?

SPEAKER_02 38:04

I had a friend recently tell me, and this sort of makes sense for what we're talking about with Instagram. They went on this amazing trip. Uh, this person that she was watching their stories, and they went on an amazing trip, and they were posting like every day these amaz, you know, all this stuff from their trip. And they got back and she said, She said, Oh my gosh, like all those amazing places you went to tell me, tell me everything. And they're like, Well, actually, I got I got sick like the second day, and I was just in the hospital, like you know, being for their whole trip. And she was like, But you posted like all these things, and they were just trying to show the world, and that's what they do, that's what we do, right? We try to show the world what we want or what we're about or this amazing life. But really, we are when we're looking at these amazing lives that we quote, you know, that we think are amazing, sometimes they're not. Or, you know, it's it's food for thought to start thinking about what do I what do I want? What do I want really? If I have a menu of a hundred options, do I really want everything?

SPEAKER_03 39:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

You know, what do I want on that menu? Yeah, does that all make sense?

SPEAKER_01 39:30

That's to me.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

Yeah.

Safety As The Reward For Money Work

SPEAKER_00 39:34

And I think to me, when I look at that, it's like you want to, it's I love my friends who post a lot because it allows me to see pictures of places that I might not actually want to go myself. But like I had a few years ago, someone was at the Louvre in France and they were just documenting videos of their whole kind of tour, and I loved it. And I saw all the crowds of the people, and I thought, I don't know that I like I I would love to go there, and if I had the chance to, I would. But if I have, you know, we all have limited resources, right? Even if we get into abundance and can have everything, it's still our time and energy and money is limited. So it's like, am I cool with seeing it from this perspective for this thing, or what are the ones that I want to go look at with my own eyes? Right. I love the goodwill hunting, right? And it's like you don't know what the Sistine Chapel smells like, right? So there's places and things I want to know what they smell like. Other things I'm happy to see uh hear a story from from someone else. But yeah, knowing what we want and and blocking out that judgment, your story reminded me of I have a friend I met at a conference, and her husband happens to be a pilot, and he was in the Air Force and recently got out of the Air Force, got a job as a personal pilot to someone who's very wealthy. So now all of her content is filmed from a private jet. So it was just like here's her doing a video about talking to clients about you know their marketing or pitches or different things, and they're all filmed with the beautiful views out the window, the private jet. And you know, I don't think she's trying to look like she's someone she's not, but it's like she has the opportunity to fly around with her spouse who has this cool job, and it looks like, oh, she must be so successful, or you know, is like doing her work from private jets. And yeah, it's not always what it looks like.

SPEAKER_02 41:56

Yeah, you have no idea what someone else is going through.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Well, and it's certainly not a place to make your choices from.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

And that's to me, one of my I think when I look back at my story and how I got here, my own money trauma ways I think one of my biggest blessings was working in the bank because I was kind of raised with this idea that everybody else is richer than we are. People with certain types of jobs kind of have it made and everything's easy for them. And you know, people who have trucks and trailers and four-wheelers have money to be able to spend on their toys. And I spent, you know, the first several years of my career basically deprogramming that with real life evidence in front of my face. And something I will still stick to, you know, being in a small town, you know, you get to see a lot of net worth statements and the behind the scenes of a lot of people that everyone looks up to and envies, and they think they are, you know, the wheelers and dealers and movers and shakers and rich people. But I have yet to meet a somebody who, once I get to know their situation, I would readily switch places with them. Yes, there's lots of people who have done well for themselves, they have a decent amount of money, but there's always something there where it's not what you think it is. You know, it's it's taken a lot more luck, or there's just something out there. You know, even the the people with all the toys usually have the worst money stuff, like not toys, more bills, yeah. More toys, more bills, more problems, more stress. Yeah, right. And again, that and it comes from different money scripts, so. You know, that showmanship. There's a money script that's like, hey, my ability to spend is, you know, power. So you know, they'll go out to dinner with their big group of friends and they'll lay down their credit card. But inside, they're terrified it's gonna decline because everything they have is maxed out. Yet they might have a big business in town. Everyone might look at them as if they're they're rich. And like me at the table would know that my net worth when we do the math is higher than that person's, even though they're maybe bringing in you know 10 times more money than I am.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

So we talked about all this, and that my my thought is like where do we start?

SPEAKER_01 44:51

So well we've hit on like yeah, like without even trying, you know, we've activated just about every single negative misprogram that a human being can have. But I have a I have a question that I think is um relevant. I think that as we as we do more and more hypnosis, we help more and more people as I as I record and I write and I try to understand, there are certain things that come up, like the idea of freedom, like the idea of choice.

SPEAKER_00 45:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:32

And one of the you know the big problems, of course, is all the programming we acquire over time. And wherever we put a focus, that's where we're gonna get the most programming. And money is one of those kinds of things. But what I find there's also a theme in a lot of the work that we do, which is self-love, self-love, self-appreciation, self-care. You know, that idea that I am okay, I am allowed, I am permitted, I am worthy, I am meant to have a better experience than I'm having. And a lot of that comes back to an awareness of who I am and an appreciation for that. And I boil that down into self-love. Where does self-love fit into money programming?

House Myths, Identity, And Real Needs

SPEAKER_00 46:39

It's I mean, as a solution, it's the solution, right? It really is about self-love. And so much of like if we can turn our money and our money decisions to be an expression of that self-love and an extension of who we are, we can accomplish anything we want. Like, there's some people who are in this world are meant to run, you know, businesses that employ a lot of people and do and create a lot, and if it can come from that versus coming from self-shame or making up for something or stressing yourself out trying to get the attention of someone who died 20 years ago, like it's just healthier. So at the the core of all of this, yeah, these themes we talk about are all there. And to link to Hillary's question of where do we start, I love that because I my answer to that and the one I play with is we start at the start. And really, it's wherever we are right now, whatever kind of brings us into this is where we we start. And the reason for me, so I you know, you know this because you were teaching me in hypnosis. I didn't take the hypnosis training because I was hot to be a hypnotist right away. Right? It was kind of the skills I thought would help me in other things. Yet now it's you know, evidence and a skill that I can't ignore in dealing with businesses and money because I believe kind of the mind, money, marketing story, all of these themes, they meld together in this super intensely complicated way. Yet the solution is so simple. And it really comes back to these ideas of hypnosis and the work that we all do here of self-love. And yeah, these core things we get to. And why I love being here, you know, and partnering with Infinite Mind, because I think the solution to all the money problems really don't come back to self-love, kind of like the solution to weight loss is self-love, and the solution to quitting smoking and self-love. You know, my biggest, you know, and I shared bits and pieces of my own journey, but probably the craziest suggestion I've ever had to accept is that I'm lovable. And it's an evolving journey, and I can feel and embody that as that self-love deepens. And for me, that leaks into feeling safer. You know, we I talk about money, and I'm a money expert. I don't say that because I've had millions and millions of dollars behind me. I have a money situation that's different than anyone I've had in my life, but it feels the safest, even if it's not super rosy, but I feel safer, more free, and then I have more choice in front of me than I've ever felt, even if it means I have to work for the next, you know, my whole life. But I also have the freedom and choice to be able to create ways to do that that feel good and authentic to me for my whole life, right? So it's uh yeah, it's about that safety and that self-love. And I would guess most people are listening to this because they've made a choice to at least dip their toe into that.

SPEAKER_02 50:50

So uh next weekend. Where where are you gonna start with people, if you don't mind?

Choosing Wants In A Noisy World

SPEAKER_00 50:57

Uh we're gonna go through. I created a bit of a journey. And I'm gonna briefly a lot of people are gonna come, obviously, who have been signed up to school. So ideally they have a bit of a knowing of what's there, although I know lots of people are signing up because of this workshop. So a little bit about kind of hypnosis and the mind and my journey of how I got to I think uncover where we are, and then we're gonna, you know, we're gonna do a little bit of breathing, we're gonna do some relaxing and getting comfortable, we're gonna uncover little bits of our own money story. I'm gonna introduce some scripts, like some of the common scripts. And what I find is usually that for a lot of people, I'm like, oh, this is why I feel this way. And you know, we just talked about a million things here, and there's layers and layers and layers. We we're not we're probably not gonna do it all at once, but we're gonna find a thread or we're gonna find something that's like, oh, this is it. It's not because I suck at math, or it's not because I'm lazy, it's not because I don't know what I'm doing, but because of this. We're gonna do a little hypnosis where we may, you know, release something. I've got a few ideas of some techniques that you specifically Hillary's taught me that I'm gonna borrow and I like to combine. And then I've got a little journey that I like to do that just kind of adds some money-specific suggestions that kind of directly address the scripts that are just helpful for people. Then give you space to see where that goes. Honestly, I find this where I've done it with people. Obviously, you as you both know, you can't predict what people are going to come up with, but things show up that typically point us the way of like, what's next? What's maybe something I can deal with? And then inside the school, there's like a whole bunch of resources that can help you kind of adjacent to money, and then I'm gonna be, I'm always around to kind of dive right in with the money specifically. But yeah, next weekend it's gonna be gentle. Um, I did a version of this a few weeks ago to a women's gifting circle invited me in, and it was like different than any of them ever expected and helpful to everyone. So yeah, that's what you should prepare for, unlike probably any money thing most people have attended before.

SPEAKER_02 54:00

Yeah. When I was doing uh when I was doing some hypnosis training a couple years ago, I did some extra training. We were looking at, you know, what what what do we want to charge for hypnosis and looking at instead of charging for one-off sessions, charging for programs instead and all this. And I looked at we were prompted to look at program scripts, right? And when I found the script that which it didn't take long, this this doesn't take long to like figure out, you know, at least start pulling the thread, right? And we went through little hypnosis to release it, and it right away it changed so many things for me. Yeah, I felt it sounds like a an uh an odd script to have, but it for me it was if I make money, so-and-so in my life will be mad.

SPEAKER_00 55:11

Yeah, that's a great question because it does come from people in our life. People could be jealous. There's a great book, I forget what it's called, Gay Hendrix, I think is the author, but they talk about kind of these upper, I think that's the upper limit problem, these limits people come to energetically. And often it's related to a sibling or someone who you don't want to outshine. So money is the same, right? If I make a bunch of money, it's going to tick off, you know, my my parents, my grandma. You know, for me, my grandma would, oh, she grew up with a depression. She was happy with her life. If anyone did anything showy at all, she'd be like, Who in the heck do you think you are? Right. So there was this suppressing energy of like of that. And these programs can be there. I think this author used the example of an Olympic medalist who could only ever come silver and was trying to figure out what they need to win gold. And when they really unpacked it, it was they were the younger sibling, and the older siblings had way more ribbons on their walls, and they didn't want to be the star, right? They were used to being second place in their household, and they had to kind of overcome that to be able to win.

SPEAKER_03 56:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:47

That and I believe specifically that was a female athlete who had an older brother who was also a star, but not an Olympian, right? So the idea of being an Olympic gold medalist was not safe to her subconscious mind. So there's these types of things I think exist for everyone. And just starting to engage it, you know, even charging money, you can go from terrified to put a price on something to oh, that was silly. I'll just add a zero to that and see what happens. And you know, it just changes your life and outlook.

SPEAKER_03 57:30

Yeah, exactly. Did you have questions? No.

SPEAKER_01 57:37

No, well, I got a million questions, but no, I'm I'm uh I'm first excited for Brian because I see you breaking some some ice here, charging through in unknown waters. I think that's exciting. I think that's gonna be great for our members of the of the school. And yeah, I'm gonna be listening absolutely. I'm gonna uh I'm gonna change on this myself. You know, I think we all just live this journey of trying to undo our minds, you know, undo all the stuff that's holding us back. We are by our nature free, we are by our nature joyful, we are by our nature completely permitted to have, do, or be whatever we want. And anything that is not living that is the result of a program, and the program that we took on innocently, we might have took on lovingly, we might have took it on respectfully, and it just doesn't serve us anymore. Yeah, what do I want? What do we want?

SPEAKER_00 58:57

Yeah, it's gonna be good. Yeah, I'm excited for it.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

Yeah, yeah. So that's next weekend, and I mean you might be listening to this podcast after next weekend, but if you do go into the infinite mind, I mean the link below, you will find a replay of the workshop, I believe.

SPEAKER_01 59:20

Yeah, we'll have a replay, replay and more stuff, and more stuff, exciting stuff because this isn't a one-on-one.

SPEAKER_02 59:29

Oh, yeah, no, not at all.

SPEAKER_01 59:30

This is gonna be how many do you think right now? What do you pick to?

SPEAKER_00 59:34

I don't want to overcomplicate it, but we could go forever.

SPEAKER_01 59:37

Yeah, so we'll just keep going until we're done.

SPEAKER_00 59:41

Yeah, on the journey, you know, I'll be there as well for one-on-one stuff, but there's lots of ways we can go with this and unpack. And you know, choosing to work with your mind, I just I believe now is the express path for dealing with any sort of money stuff. And that's the path I'm on and why I'm here.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:09

Yeah. Is there anything else before we wrap up? Anything on your mind you want to tell listeners?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:15

No, this has been great. You know, I used to tell my students you made a good choice in being here today. So for those who have listened along the way and are just open to uh walking into this, just yeah, take you made a good choice, take it one step at a time.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:35

Beautiful. Thank you, Brian.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:39

Thanks, Bri.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:40

Yeah, and we'll see you in the workshop, and yeah, have a good day.