How Binaural Beats Can Influence Your Meditation & Hypnosis Practice

We explore how intention, not labels, separates meditation from hypnosis and share practical ways to use binaural beats to reach and hold a theta state. We show how to pair “I am” statements with entrainment to reframe old beliefs and calm a busy mind.

• intention as the key difference between meditation and hypnosis
• shifting attention from external noise to internal awareness
• theta state as a doorway to insight and change
• everyday hypnosis through repetition and ritual
• reprogramming beliefs with reframing and I am statements
• how binaural beats entrain brainwaves for faster drop-in
• why music without a strong beat works best
• where to find ad-free, high-quality binaural audio
• choosing content wisely in receptive states
• using practice to build calm, clarity, and agency

Chapters

• 0:07 Cold Morning Banter
• 1:27 Meditation Vs Hypnosis: The Intention
• 4:20 From External To Internal Focus
• 10:52 Everyday Hypnosis And Bedtime Routines
• 14:32 Programming, Context, And Reframing
• 20:50 Binaural Beats Explained Simply
• 27:52 Where To Find Quality Binaural Music
• 31:36 With Beats Or Without: What Changes
• 38:44 Entrainment Across Life And Next Steps
• 39:46 Wrap Up And Community Resources

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:07

We are on the line. Had a little mishap there. Had to press the record button. Now we are on the line.

SPEAKER_00: 0:17

Do we have people with us this morning?

SPEAKER_02: 0:19

Yes, we have people with us.

SPEAKER_00: 0:21

Hi, everybody.

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Hello. I hope you're having a beautiful morning or afternoon or evening, wherever you are.

SPEAKER_00: 0:29

So you had a question.

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I did, but you're forgetting the weather report.

SPEAKER_00: 0:33

Oh, the weather report is a mix of sun and cloud, cold temperatures. I'm surprised there's any clouds, how cold it is, because it's cold out there. This is so cold that when you look at the snow, you don't have to step on it to know it's crunchy. You just gotta look at it and you know that that's cold.

SPEAKER_03: 0:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 0:54

But the river's still flowing, I think, because we've had so much precipitation and warmth, there's lots of water still coming into the lake, and it's gotta move. Water's gotta move.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05

So it's still moving. But the sun's coming up, sun should be up very soon. The sky's about half lit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13

It's the type of day where you go inside and your nose hairs freeze. Yeah. That's howund old it is.

unknown: 1:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:20

Yeah. Scarf weather.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22

I'm a Canadian. It's got to be really cold for me to wear a scarf.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26

Scarf weather. So we were talking yesterday about meditation, and we were going to move on to self-hypnosis. And then we sort of spent some time this morning talking about binaural beats.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39

Yeah, so we're going to talk a little bit about both.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42

Or all.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43

Or all. All and everything. Yeah. But I will, I will, I guess, start with the question that I had if I can think of it again. I asked a question literally one minute before we started this to Les. And I was thinking about all the different places that offer meditation, including us. And yesterday we sort of differentiated meditation from self-hypnosis or hypnosis in general by saying that meditation is, or I should say, hypnosis has an objective in mind. So I think about our anxiety meditations, confidence meditations, you know, weight loss meditations, all the all the meditations that we offer. And there's an objective in mind in those so-called meditations. So would they be just hypnosis, right? Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00: 2:40

Yeah, I think that what we're what we're talking about when we we talk about meditations and hypnosis and we try to distinguish between the two. And I really think it's about your intentions. You know, people define hypnosis sometimes as a process that is meant to be therapeutic. And that's very much about your intention when you engage it. And then there are others who talk about hypnosis and they simply describe the state, right? You're calm, you're quiet, and your brain shifts into a theta state. And some people talk about hypnosis as specific techniques, right? Regression or uh release or you know, reprogramming. And I think what distinguishes all of those things when you when you do meditation, some people talk about, well, you've experienced 10 days of bhapasana meditation. And what distinguishes that from simple yoga meditation or you know what some people learn in in Buddhist training of Buddhist meditation, it's really about your intention. But all of those things embrace the idea that you are shifting your focus from the external to the internal, and you are attempting to put some constraints on your mind activity, whether you're trying to direct it, whether you're trying to simply pay attention to it and slow it down. All of these things I think are useful. And the different words and the different intentions reflect different people's success. You know, I sit quietly in the darkened room with my eyes closed, and I monitor my breathing to the point that my mind completely calms and the endless stream of thoughts starts to slow down. And in those moments, I've had discoveries. And so they they promote breath-based meditation and they say, Oh, you should do this. This is really good, really worked for me. And somebody else says, I listen to a particular kind of music with a particular person's voice who's guiding my thoughts. I've given over my thoughts to them. And in that process, I have found discoveries or meaningful insights, and even been able to shift the way I think about certain things. And then they'll go around promoting hypnosis.

SPEAKER_04: 5:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 5:32

So I think that we will talk about hypnosis as meditations. We know of hypnotists that don't call themselves hypnotists. You know, Joe Dispenza is a wonderful example. Joe Dispenza is a scientist. He calls himself, what is this phrase? I've gone blank, calls himself a neuroscientist. Because he does. He spends a lot of time learning about how the brain and the way you use the brain impacts the body. In fact, many of his really adamant followers have experienced huge healing as a result of using their mind to direct themselves into what he refers to as a quantum state, which is a state of creation and recreation. And then people are all about that. They're not even calling it hypnosis, they call it meditations. I think we use a lot of names for the process of slowing down our mind and going from an external focus to an internal focus seeking understanding. And when others direct us, we talk about guided meditation or we talk about hypnosis. When we're quietly in control of that ourselves, we might call it self-hypnosis or simple meditation. And everybody over the millennia who have engaged in these types of activities report huge shifts, benefits, real benefits in the way they're living their life. So for me, I don't I don't think it's beneficial to try to focus on the differences between this. And I think there are other people who approach that by simply talking about theta state, right? They talk about theta state therapies. Because the result is that the brain slows down, the brain activity slows down, and the frequency and the volume and the scatteredness that we might observe, the way we our thoughts jump from thing to thing to thing, the way thoughts just come to us, the way thoughts are habitual, you know, they find that allowing themselves to go into a theta state is physically, mentally, emotionally beneficial. And everybody's got their their thing. And that's why I use the word practice, you know, when I meet new clients often, one of my first questions is what's your practice? What do you do? What do you do with your mind? Do you wake up in the morning and just watch it run?

SPEAKER_04: 8:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 8:13

Do you do you spend time? Do you like deep breathing? Is that useful to you? Do you spend a lot of time on your phone? Do you, you know, watch TV, play video games? What is the thing you do to comfort? What is the thing you do to calm your mind? And so for me, you know, I I need to see that as a broad spectrum and less about advocating one thing and more about inviting all of those things forward that each of us will make our way through. I think just sitting with deep breathing, you know, a lot of people are big into breath work, right? And breath work has a wide spectrum of what it can evoke in your brain, in your mind, right? The body-mind complex is huge, right? Like we we we underestimate the breadth, depth, and power of our unconscious mind that's running the body. And the subconscious mind working with the unconscious mind, storing all this information, which all gets interpreted relative to ourselves, to our own personal self. And so there's that big mass of data that sits inside us that evokes emotions, that evokes health or non-health. And it, you know, uh the long and short of it, it affects the body. So there are so many ways and techniques to shift your focus from external to internal to become aware of what's going on internally and decide you want to do something about it. There you go. There's my long-winded long-winded. Don't focus on the differentiations, focus on the effort, focus on the effect.

SPEAKER_03: 10:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 10:09

And then hypnosis becomes meditation, and meditation becomes hypnosis, and breath work becomes hypnosis, and breath work becomes meditation, and all these things sort of meld together. But the beautiful part, the part we want to embrace is that taking the time to look inside is a really worthwhile endeavor.

SPEAKER_02: 10:29

Yeah. Yeah. Sort of lost for words here. Yeah, like in the chat. Really love this definition. Love this definition.

SPEAKER_00: 10:41

Kind of a non-definition, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02: 10:44

Well, I think it's an explanation that just covers a variety of what we offer. And absolutely, sometimes, you know, I'm I'm nervous of labeling things as hypnosis, especially when people that have never even maybe heard of hypnosis or maybe they want to try something out that I offer, but they hear hypnosis, they're like, oh, I don't know about that. She's gonna control my mind. And you can't, it it's hard to give a pre-talk before every single thing, you know, to to tell them that hypnosis is really just relaxation, just relaxation. Hypnosis to me, and I know that this probably wouldn't be agreed upon by many, but to me in my mind, it it's the act of hypnosis in a relaxed state. So it's almost like hypnosis is an action word for what we do during a relaxed state. I don't, that's just me.

SPEAKER_00: 11:49

No, I I think that that you're yeah, that's as good a definition as any, right? If it's mentally relaxed, physically relaxed, it's you know, we talk about attention and awareness, right? That when we stop letting the external world grab our attention and we start letting our attention be focused internally, I think we've started into hypnosis. When we have stopped fearing, when the fear reaction has slowed down, and we put ourselves in a situation of openness, that's hypnosis too. Like all you got to do is walk into a kindergarten class. You know, some of these kindergarten teachers, they're amazing hypnotists. The way they can get the kids to sit and have attention, you know, like you know, it's it's hypnosis when you read your child a story at night. Here's this little being that just wants to keep going. Come on, no, I don't want to go to bed. Let's keep going, let's play it, let's do this, let's do that. And they're doing everything they can to fight sweet because they love life so much. They just want to be engaged in life. And you want them to slow down. And so you put them through a series of routines, right? First, we have a bath, and then we put on pajamas that are fresh and smelling good right out of the dryer. And then we lie down on a bed with a big pillow that's so comfortable, and then mom or dad lies beside us, which we just love because we get to be close to our parents because most of the day we're not. And then the parent says, Here, let me tell you a story. And the little one then knows that they get to use their imagination, they get to play in the story, they get to follow along, and the little one is then guided into a state of absolute relaxed mind and the absolute relaxed body, and then sleep just happens, right? And that's hypnosis. And because we do it every night, it's well-pracedised hypnosis.

SPEAKER_04: 13:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 13:59

And because we do it with the intention always of falling asleep, it's really, really effective hypnosis. You know, the biggest part of hypnosis is repetition. So I think that, you know, stepping back and just seeing the benefits of calming the mind and what it opens to you in terms of understandings and insights, and, you know, what a lot of people do now. I mean, my hypnosis now, self-hypnosis is almost always directed at connecting to my higher self. It's directed at receiving information. It's about, you know, conversation with the part of me and the part of my world, my team, my guides to get direction and understanding of myself.

SPEAKER_04: 14:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 14:48

And that's just the technique I've chosen for now, right? I've done so many different techniques on myself over 25 years, longer really, because I first learned, you know, progressive relaxation, or what hypnotists will call the body scan, or what yogaists will call yoga nidra. Yoga nidra, right? There's lots of words for it, but it is it is all a lot of the same process, an awareness of the body and the releasing of any tensions, the releasing of any pressures, right?

SPEAKER_02: 15:26

I think for me, my self-hypnosis practice and yeah, it entails going into a relaxed state and just sort of saying to myself, I am statements, or as you're teaching probably later next month, self-seventh path. So yeah, it's sort of like embodying those statements. And like I said yesterday, about being careful about what you're putting in your mind when you're in a relaxed state, when you're in the hypnosis state, when you're in flow state, right? Whether you're scrolling on the phone, watching TV. I mean, sometimes clients will say to me, Well, I can't sleep at night. Well, what do you watch right before bedtime? Well, I like thrillers and you know scary movies. That's going right in, right? And your body is reacting to it. Your nervous system, people forget, I think, about their nervous system, right? Is reacting to it. And just like a cup that is just at the at the edge of overflowing, that watching a movie like that can just overflow that cup, and then you're laying there wondering, you know, why can't I sleep? So I think I think it's important to be specific with what you're putting into your mind during those times. And if you're doing self-hypnosis, to to to do something like I am statements, or like we're going to get into momentarily the binaural beats to help you get there into a hypnosis state. And if you're listening to binaural beats, to to make it a worthwhile endeavor, start to do some self-hypnosis, start to do some connecting with the mind and body and even soul, if you wish, right? Those I am statements can be so powerful. There's other things that you can do, but I find those personally powerful.

SPEAKER_00: 17:29

So I think that when you blur the lines between hypnosis and the consumption of media and intentional meditation and the walk in the forest sitting on a beach, there are so many ways to take yourself into a non-externally focused state. And when you're there, your mind opens up to you and your mind becomes receptive. And understanding how that happens is a great way to understand how you've got a program, how your mind is filled with a set of ideas, a set of beliefs, a set of understandings about you and the world, a set of assumptions about who you are and why you're here. And that's a program. And I like to use the word context because that understanding, that collection, that program is what we use to engage the world. The world's crazy. I don't think there's any debate about that, right? That the world is a crazy place, and we can observe it and we watch the changes and we watch the shifts. And I think that that's important to be aware of the tide coming in or the tide going out, you know, understanding, you know, the economic times getting good and the economic times getting not so good. The political times getting questionable, the political times feeling calm and safe. The changes in the weather, going from warm to cold. These are things that we just pay attention to. And we are interpreting all of those things from our state of program. So anything we can do to go in and understand our state of program really encourages us to reconsider how we want to look at ourselves and look at the world and look at these changes and look at these dynamics. And that's the opportunity that we use as hypnotists to help people change the way they see things. And that's you know, the art of reframing, which is thousands of years old, thousands of years. We've been aware, you know, Plato said it you know, your mind creates the world, change your mind, change your world. Plato said that, right? Like that's that's pretty old. And I I gotta figure somebody taught him, right? I gotta figure that prior to that, that was an idea that had existed in the minds of people thinking for years and years and years and years and years.

SPEAKER_03: 20:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 20:20

So the best that we do, you know, is pass along good ideas. The best that we do is pass along good practices. The best that we do is share our understandings. And if those understandings are meaningful and they present opportunity for you, then embrace them your way for you and go for it. And that's what I think we're doing here with the podcast and why we're going to talk about self-hypnosis.

SPEAKER_02: 20:48

Yeah. Yeah. On the topic of binaural beats, this is an interesting. Do you know the science of it? Uh yeah. So less. You see, less is like a wonderful book that you can just open and wrote in and page.

SPEAKER_00: 21:06

Yeah, I couldn't tell you anything about knitting. I wouldn't even know where to start. Um, there's lots I don't know what what this is. It's obvious. My fascination with the mind and the way people interact and what causes that and how that's shaped. And and that's the stuff that fascinates me. And so anything related to that, that's my that's my curiosity. Everybody's got their own curiosities, right? Everybody's got their own thing that they're focused on, that they want to understand, that they wanna they wanna understand more, right? And and that's me.

SPEAKER_01: 21:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:42

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 21:44

And you're very good at remembering.

SPEAKER_00: 21:46

Well, you know, yeah, yeah. I got it.

SPEAKER_01: 21:48

He reads something and he remembers about it.

SPEAKER_00: 21:50

I want to talk in a nice way about myself. But I used to always say, I just have a big mouth. I like to talk. But I think that, you know, I I had a friend say it to me, and and he was kind to me, and he said, You explain things very well.

SPEAKER_03: 22:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 22:02

So I think that's why I spent 25 years teaching.

SPEAKER_03: 22:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 22:05

So I can, I suppose I can teach that which fascinates me and has held my attention. So the brain and the body and the mind, I see them as a complex. I see them as distinct parts of a big complex that we call ourselves. This is me. I got a body, I got a brain, and there's a mind here that the body's easier to understand because it's here and I can look at it. The brain is a great venue into the mind because the brain is again a physical thing I can examine in this modern world, but with technologies, I can watch what the brain does. But I mean, even think about theta state. Understand that theta state is nothing more than a description of if I put some electrodes on your temples and I create a machine that's very sensitive to tiny little electrical impulses, I can create this machine where needles bounce up and down based on the electrical impulses coming out of your head. And what I've done is I thought, well, that's cool. Let's do a lot of that. Let's do it to a lot of people at a lot of times. This is not, this is not, oh my God, we've discovered something amazing. It's like, ah, look at that. If I put this node on your head and then and I create a very sensitive electronic machine, these needles will bounce. Isn't that fun? And then those needles, I can put a pen on the end of them, and then when they bounce, they make a line. And then I can see how things change over time. And so it's just an arbitrary tool that we've discovered, like a stethoscope or anything else, and we're using it. And what we've done is we've done that with lots and lots of people, and we've watched these lines get traced, and we've noticed patterns. And that's the genius of our mind, right? It recognizes patterns, it recognizes sets of things that are the same and interprets them. Anyway, so what we've done is we've taken people and we put these nodes on their head, and then we've watched them and we've had conversation with them, and we've watched how these things bounce around like crazy, and then we've asked them to just breathe deep and close their eyes, and we've watched how they slowed down, and we kept them on their head and told them to lie down and go to sleep. And in that, we've discovered that when we are externally focused, the activity is very fast, very short, and that's what we call beta state. That's your waking conscious state. When you start to slow down, you go through what's called an alpha state. But there is physiological and mental shift when you go even slower, and we call that theta state. And when you go even slower and fall asleep, that's called the delta state. So these are just descriptions. So what we've done is we've learned how to take different sources, because mostly we do it with the eyes and with the ears. People have heard of these masks that you can put on, close your eyes, and put a mask on, and the lights flash and they flash at a frequency. And the frequency is aligned with the frequency of these different mental states, beta, alpha, theta, delta. And because you have two eyes, right? We call it bivisual, and we create these beats, and we train the mind then to go into these states. It's called entrainment. We do it with the ears because you have two ears. It's called binaural. And we have these frequencies that we put into your ears that the brain tries to match, whether it's coming in through your eyes, coming through your ears, your brain tries to match those frequencies. And because you're not using your brain for other things, right? Since you're it is actually your intention to go into these states, your brain follows and it starts to become good at it. Just like people get good at meditation, because they do it and do it and do it and do it, and they can find themselves going into a meditative state very quickly. And I used it to learn how to go to sleep, right? Yeah. I learned when I was 14, a yoga guy taught me Yoga Nidra, and I was like, holy crap, that's neat. And I've been able to use it to fall asleep for most of my life. It changed my life really because it was, I had a very, very active mind, and it'd be two and three in the morning before I'd fall asleep. But just using that technique really changed me. So anything we do a lot of, we're going to practice, we're going to get good at it. And so this entrainment of binaural beats buried beneath, just at the lowest level of perception, buried beneath music, entrains our mind to go to that state quickly. It quiets the beta activity quickly. It moves us through the alpha state quickly. And because it stays there in the music, it helps us to maintain the theta state that we as hypnotists know is hard. That's part of our task. When we take you into trance, we're trying to keep you in the theta state. If we take you too deep, you fall asleep. And if we don't take you deep enough, you don't go into the kinds of really meaningful hypnosis that we can create. So binaural beats is just a frequency. The best, in my opinion, when you're dealing with the theta state, is called a seven hertz binaural beat. And it sits underneath music, and that music is best to not have its own beat.

SPEAKER_03: 27:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 27:59

Right? So although you could use it under your favorite song, it's not going to have the same effect as if you used it with music that is tonal but not beat-based. It doesn't have a meter to it.

SPEAKER_03: 28:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 28:15

Yeah. I'm fascinated by this stuff. I love this stuff. I love seeing how we can use the brain to affect the mind.

SPEAKER_02: 28:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 28:23

And open the mind. There we go. Sorry. Long-winded.

SPEAKER_02: 28:26

Nope. That's perfect. That's perfect. So we're being asked about experiences. We had one this morning. Experiences and anecdotes about binaural beats. Would love to hear. So, you know, we put on what was it that we did to we first did delta.

SPEAKER_00: 28:44

Yeah, we put it on delta. No, I felt it. I was like, no, no, it's putting me to sleep. It's a delta all.

SPEAKER_02: 28:52

So then we we put on theta because we've got a great theta binaural beats audio, which we listened to this morning over the sound system. And and if you want to access it, we've uploaded it to if you go to the classrooms before I talk anymore. I just want to explain. If you go to the classroom in the school and click on preschool, it's right there at the top. I've put it in Binural Beats Music. And you can download that. And that's a theta one. So that's going to take you quickly into the theta brainwave state. And if you're going to use it, I mean, you could just listen to it and have a nice time, but I would say if you're going to use it, do some IM statements or do some do some stuff that's going to change your mind or or release anxieties or something constructive. You know, I I wouldn't, you know, listen to it and scroll on your phone or doom scroll or anything.

SPEAKER_00: 29:58

Well, that that's actually entraining your mind. And yeah, that can be dangerous because then you can entrain it the wrong way. Well, you know, it happens when we watch TV. So, you know, yeah, if you're consuming stuff that's riling you up, which is what AI is meant to do. It's trying to make you angry and you're in a theta state. You're going to be programming yourself into that anger. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 30:21

Yeah. Think of whatever you're programming yourself or whatever you're consuming is programming in those states.

SPEAKER_00: 30:28

I like your idea about I am statements. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_02: 30:31

Yeah. Yeah, we really like I am statements. Yeah, because they're they're sort of directed at the present moment. They're going to quickly bring up any old belief systems if we've got them. Like, I am enough. No, I'm not, I'm enough. No, you're not. I'm enough. I don't know. But it will bring those up. And when if they're brought up, the the resistance, the resistant part of us, we can look at them, right? We can start to understand them or understand why we've got them. And as you slowly bring up those resistant thoughts to the surface, to the conscious mind, it's so much easier to start the process of releasing. And that's a whole other topic. That's a whole other topic.

SPEAKER_00: 31:19

So I want to quickly talk about where you can get binaural beats because they're everywhere. And you know, we're aware of this stuff. It's it's a shame we don't all share this stuff more because it's out there and there's people who have their whole life focused on it. Just the science and the effectiveness of binaural beats. And if you can put it underneath just about any kind of sound, otherwise, it just sounds like it's kind of weird sensation. Yeah. When you put it under music, it gives you a softening of it, I suppose. Anyway, we use the stuff that's on the school, and there's a few more that are that have been on school. I've I've put it when I've been making meditations for the reframes, I've done one reframe meditation without binaural music, yeah, and one meditation with binaural music. They're both hypnotic music because they have no beat and they have nothing that drives you into the music. It's just there to blanket any kind of noise. And we have a natural tendency to soothe ourselves with music. But anyway, there's some that have binaural beats under them. We get those from a guy called Enlightened Audio, and he's really great. So if you're like a professional of some kind that's making meditations or you're out there, you know, in the business of helping people with their minds, for about a hundred bucks, you can buy what's called royalty-free music, which means you can use it, you can basically treat it as if it's your own. You can use it for any money-making opportunity that you want, because in buying it, you're basically getting a license. And one of the things that that this person does, I wish I could remember his name, is he maintains a huge database. Like you don't have you can download it, but if you've lost it somehow, you can go back and you've got your account and you can download it again. But essentially, you can use it. And we've used lots of royalty-free music because we do this podcast. The music you hear on this is royalty-free music. It's ours. We can claim it as ours. Doesn't mean we're the only one using it, but we don't have to pay a royalty when we use it for the purpose of our podcast. Anyway, so there's there's that. There's a really neat website called Binaural Meets Beats Music, and a really interesting guy. He also has a blog. If you did a simple Google search, the first thing that would pop up is YouTube. There is tons of it on YouTube. I don't know if it's ad-free. I can't imagine anything more disturbing than listening to this beautiful theta-based music, and then suddenly an ad comes on. Not good. But there's tons of it on YouTube. There's tons of it on Spotify and Apple Music. You can just do that search and you can find it. So if you're a you're a Spotify or an Apple Musicer, and you you just add it to your search, binaural beats, hypnotic music. And again, tons of it is out there, tons and tons. And you can find that the one that makes you feel good, the one that takes you there easily. YouTube, Spotify, Apple, there are different websites, there's all kinds of musicians out there making these kinds of things.

SPEAKER_03: 34:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 34:39

And that yes, they want to be paid. I suppose they deserve to be paid, right? Yeah. We live in that kind of marketplace world. Anyway, the stuff is out there, and there's tons and tons of it.

SPEAKER_02: 34:49

Yeah. I think uh this is a good uh question here before we wrap up today. And I'm gonna answer it, and then I'd like to know your answers for it. So they're wondering meditation experience with and without the beats, right? You mentioned one is without, one is with. It would be great to know what were the differences. So I would say the differences would be one might take you deeper relaxed faster, right? The one with the beats. It's going to entrain your brain waves to match the beat that's happening underneath the meditation and take you deeper relaxed faster. But also what I've noticed with clients and even on my YouTube over the years, sharing some meditations, some people like music and some people don't want any music in the background. And, you know, you gotta sort of pick your battles there. Like, you know, do you make it with music, without both? Like how much time do you spend on this? But I think it's important that in our school, at least for our community, that um, you know, you're gonna you're gonna find ones that have music and without music, and and yeah, just pick which one makes you feel good, make makes you feel relaxed. So those would be the differences in my mind.

SPEAKER_00: 36:11

When I talk to my clients that come in and and we talk about, you know, the brain states and how what we're trying to do is go from a beta state into an alpha state, into a theta state, and stay in the theta state. I think it's important to understand that the brain doesn't sort of lock in, right? It falls into, it comes back up, it hears a noise, it itches, all of a sudden you're thinking about scratching. Should I scratch? I don't know if I'm supposed to scratch when I'm in hypnosis. My nose is itchy. I think I'm gonna sneeze. Is that okay when I'm in hypnosis? And these kinds of things just draw us back up into our conscious mind and back down through into the theta and up to alpha and down to theta. It's really, it takes a lot of practice to drop into a theta state and stay there. And even then, you know, seven hertz, 10 hertz, five hertz. Once we go below five, we're probably falling asleep. So, you know, clients sort of move through alpha, theta, dip into delta. That's that's really in the process of our time in hypnosis, we go through a lot of different frequencies. The value of the music is it attempts to hold you at a frequency.

SPEAKER_04: 37:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 37:27

And if you give over that to the music, you will tend to stay at that frequency. And so for me, the experience is when you use the music, you tend to be able to go into meditation faster. You tend to be able to stay in meditation longer, you tend to be able to let go faster those things that would put you, pull you up or pull you down into a different frequency. So that's the value. That's why they call it entrainment. You're really using an external perceptual source to try to hold the brain in a particular frequency.

SPEAKER_02: 38:05

Yeah. Yeah. If you if you're interested, it's fascinating if you look up, I think they were they use the word entrainment for other things. Yes. But if you look up on Google or AI, whatever you wish, I don't know, uh things in life that can be entrained. I don't know. There's there's all these amazing things, like even clocks next to each other will start to tick at the same rate. And yeah, there's so many things. So look up entrainment if you get the chance, because it's really neat to see to see that and understand it. But anyway, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 38:41

So I guess we still haven't got to self-hypnosis. Know that binaural beats are a tool you can use to help your mind slow and engage in internal focus. And in that state, we call that hypnotists will call that a hypnotic state. Hypnotists will call that a suggestible state. You simply have access to your subconscious mind and it's open. It's a really good idea to use positive mindset ideas while you're in that state.

SPEAKER_04: 39:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 39:16

And many people just report they're just simply calmer and happier by regularly spending time in that state, whether that's meditation or listening to binaural music or doing self-hypnosis. Now, if we use that broad definition for hypnosis and meditation and state of state, self-hypnosis is simply using that state for yourself in your own way by yourself. And that's what we'll talk about tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02: 39:46

Yeah. Okay, everyone, thank you for hanging out with us this morning. The sun is up here now and glistening off of the snow. But have a beautiful day, and we will see you later. You're very welcome.