Coffee With Hilary and Les from State of Mind Hypnosis and Training Centre

Choosing A Year With Purpose: From Reflection To Intention

Hilary & Les Season 4 Episode 1

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We reflect on a year that felt like waiting and reframe the new one around intention, trust, and aligned action. We share our words of the year, why hypnosis helps break old programs, and how we’re evolving our work into a school that scales healing.

• holiday blur and the cost of no intention
• presence vs busyness and the work program
• replacing money with God and rediscovering trust
• hypnosis as a tool to loosen rigid beliefs
• words of the year and daily alignment
• moving from waiting to aligned action
• shifting from 1:1 work to an online school
• intention as the antidote to waiting
• choice vs choice between and reclaiming agency


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SPEAKER_00:

We are on the line.

SPEAKER_03:

Got the right microphone and everything.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

Right microphone to start the year.

SPEAKER_03:

Oops. Start the year, it's the fifth.

SPEAKER_00:

I know. In the chat, I saw happy first of the happy first of the new year podcast. And I'm thinking, didn't we do? These days are just molded, shoved together. I feel like we did one, but we didn't.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, the holidays are funny things because they they have so much anticipation. And then they sort of happen. And then sort of the day after you wake up and you go, Whoa, I guess that's over now.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, back to the grind.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, and then along comes New Year's. So you got the the New Year's Eve parties, and then you got the hungover New Year's Day, which is almost always spent with me getting one son or another to the airport.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah. And I was at my dad's, and then we slept in the next morning. That's right. On the second, the third.

SPEAKER_03:

And yeah. And we spent the first couple of days of the year doing a reflection that some friends told us about.

SPEAKER_00:

That kicked my butt.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Thank you, Miranda and John.

SPEAKER_00:

It was beautiful, but holy moly, does it ever look let you look at things differently?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful isn't the word I'd use. Compelling. Compelling. And yeah, it's really hard to avoid my own judgment. Yeah, we did a series of two podcasts. I I don't even know who it was to give them credit, but we'll find it and we'll give them credit. They do an annual podcast, and in it they do uh a reflection on the past year and then reflection on the coming year and reduce everything down to theme and a word. In my case, as difficult as I can be. Two words.

SPEAKER_00:

I get two words. Just to just before we continue, the podcast is the podcast name is From the Heart with Rachel Braven. And yeah, there's Processing 2025 and 2026 Intention Setting Practice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So we did that. We did it over two days, three days really. And that took up the first three days of the year. And since, you know, the gym was closed, there was no reason to go out.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, really.

SPEAKER_03:

I went up got some food. We did some shopping, but um but we stayed home and we did the first reflection on 2025. And and I would say that quite honestly, it left me somewhat disappointed in myself.

SPEAKER_00:

With the reflection?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, just sort of the way I had approached last year.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I think too uh it it probably is like that for anyone starting the process with Rachel Braven, right? So uh she kept saying, you know, let's look at last year's intention, because she's got a following and and so people would have made an intention. But I think without making an intention for the year, there is a higher possibility of looking back and going, oh, I didn't do much, or you know, I didn't do what I wanted to do, or something of the sort.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that's the big lesson, I think. I think the big lesson to take away is that if we didn't take the time to set an intention, to create a theme to keep us focused, to wake up each day and say, what are we doing now? Yeah, without that, I think it's really easy that your year can zip by, as mine did. How about yours?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it zipped by. There's oh gosh. I okay, so I know things happened. I know that each month carried things that would have been exciting for life, or maybe not so exciting for life, but during the reflection, we're supposed to sort of go through our months and create a timeline and just see what happened during each month and feel into it. And I have a lot of nothings. Now I know that nothing is not the truth. There's things that happen in the month, but I was not present for them. That's what I recognized. I was, I was really not present. And I I noticed about myself that what I can naturally do is I get excited about things and I do things, but because I think it's work, like I just naturally think all this creativity is is work, not in a bad slogging way, but it's just part of everything that I do. So I don't give it the energy. I don't give it the like presentness or mindfulness or thinking, wow, you know, this is actually kind of cool, that it might deserve, you know. So I so I sort of fluff over it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that's a program unto itself. We should decipher a bit. Program of work. I'm going to work. I've got my work. I've got my job. I've got my boss. It's amazing how what a program that is. Since we're little, mom and dad are going to work. Right. And we have our perception of that. And then that that actually shapes and colors our approach and our efforts through whatever we call work. Yeah, that's that's worthy of a few podcasts, I think. Yeah, for me, it was I just I called it the year of waiting. And in many respects, waiting for what? Waiting for a sign, waiting for things to come to completion, waiting for anticipated events to happen, waiting for the next step, knowing that that I had things to do, and I was waiting for the right moment to do them. Yeah, that was the word. What did what word did you come down to for 2025?

SPEAKER_00:

When I looked back on it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know if she really I can't remember if she asked for a specific word, but it it definitely made me feel like there was a lack of presence.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I I remember. Okay. So I should have just looked at my notes from the day, but there was a switch for me where I relied on money instead of God. So I wrote, I wrote, it was the year I the year I was give me a second here. The year I replaced God with money and how it didn't work out so well. And it was like this shift in my mind of thinking that money provides, but instead God provides, you know, and I I use God in the source universe sense, everything sense. But I do like the word God because it really invokes a feeling within me. But yeah, I I definitely relied on money, like come on, money, you know, right? Praying for money instead of praying God, you know, or just knowing that I'm supported.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that too could be a whole series of podcasts talking about this concept of God. I think that it's really hard to go through deep, meaningful experiences of hypnosis. And I say hypnosis generally, but uh what I mean is experiences of your mind, examining your your deeper self, your your more raw self, your your more unshaped self. More and more as I do this work and I do this work on myself, you know, the world and the dynamics of the world and the dynamics of the people in our lives and what they have experienced and gone through, and turns into what we or me has experienced or gone through is a massive program and really, really shapes how I interpret everything and really, really shapes my expectations and more importantly, my openness, right? I start to see things through expectation. This is this, and this is how that's going to happen, and this is how things are supposed to be, and this is what should be done, or the way things should be conducted. That program is enormous. And uh, for many people, that program includes understandings of God. What is God that might result in the absolute rejection of the concept, that might result in their having a completely closed view of what it is, which is not helpful whether you're coming at it from a positive approach to God or from a rejection approach to God, being really closed to what it could mean is not helpful. And that program really gets in the way of that. And then, you know, like everything else that we do as hypnotists, it's about it's about breaking down the program and seeing it for what it is, a program, a set of beliefs supported by bias, and then embraced and then used to interpret everything else that happens. And this is just sort of understanding the machinations of the mind, right? So, God as a concept, it's really hard not to bump into it when you're engaged in deeply examining your mind. And anybody else's definition of that is unacceptable and it's not useful. But yeah, I think that you get comfortable with it. But we'll maybe save that for some podcasts. Like it might be hard for some people because some people might have some really negative experiences around it and have some really some real resistance to even thinking about it. And you know, those podcasts you can skip. But our purpose will always be to help you think and rethink and understand yourself better and understand the way you interpret the world better and create for you ultimately choice. Got to the word.

SPEAKER_00:

The word of the day.

SPEAKER_03:

The word of the day. Uh, but anyway, it was that's we spent we spent one day reflecting on the past, and then we spent the biggest part of another day thinking about the future. How was that for you?

SPEAKER_00:

It was good. I it was definitely more uplifting than reflection. But yeah, I thought about the year ahead and went through the process. And it's funny, I'm forgetting the whole process except for the word of the year.

SPEAKER_03:

I can't even remember things to let go of, things to pursue, things you yearn for.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, right. What the heart yearns for, stuff like that. It was all about connection and not not losing myself in the hustle bustle of everything. And it was basically the opposite of last year. Looking, being present more, meditating more, actually, oh yeah, actually spending time each morning or sometime during the day reaching out to source, to the universe, to God, connecting in that way, whether that be journaling or pulling a card or meditating. Yeah, I think my year was all about slowing down in a sense, because I find it really easy to dive into work right away. It's like as soon as I have my coffee in my hand, I'm working. Or even if I'm in a sense of relaxation, I still feel like I'm working. That was a weird one, but it came up, so I'm gonna trust it. And it does feel like that. I sort of have this staticky, staticky energy sometimes, even when I'm relaxed. And what came up actually was that I have a really easy time relaxing my energy for clients, right? I always get the oh, you're so relaxed, like you're you're so you're so peaceful, but I can turn that, I guess I can turn that on, and I want that to be on for clients, right? So I think that was an interesting look at myself, and and for this year, I want to really take moments of my day to set an intention of actually relaxing and and not work, work, work all the time, you know.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So your word is my word was God is God. It was sort of a segment and lots of writing here. So yeah, my intention for 2026 is divine connection and relaxation. I am relaxing into my divine. So we we were to come up with an affirmation, and my affirmation at first was I am relaxing into my divine connection with God and myself, and that's it felt too wordy and not punchy. I don't know if punchy is the right word, but you know, like you I couldn't really feel it. And then no, no, but I I just couldn't feel the relaxation when I was saying it. And then so I I made it a lot shorter, and I just said, I am relaxing into God, and then word of the year is God. So I sort of felt while I was imagining I am relaxing into God, what I imagined were these big, big hands, like fluffy, pillowy hands, and I was just sort of like laying down into them, being supported, knowing I'm supported, and that felt that felt really nice. Fluffy hands, fluffy fluffy hands, nice, pushy, pushy, beautiful image.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, my word for the new year is aligned action. Last year was about waiting, but what it did teach me is my desire and my need to listen more. It was certainly a year of learning how to listen to my higher self, my better nature, my my guides. You know, you go through enough hypnosis sessions, yeah, you get really confident that there are guides and they're gonna show up. So many of the people I've taken through a process of hypnosis, not the first session usually, but usually by the time we get to the fourth or fifth session, we're pretty clear that there's help. Anyway, so for me, it was a year of learning how to open myself to that help. And now, I suppose this year, I get a commitment to that help, a commitment to being collaborative and addressing, I suppose, addressing my authenticity. What do I have to offer? What is it that I have to offer? Anyway, so it was really very much about acting, doing, which for me is mostly this kind of stuff: creating, uh speaking, writing, sharing, but doing it from a place of awareness of the greater nature of life, the connectedness of life, the wholeness of life. Yeah, you know, anybody out in space looks, they just see one world. They don't see eight billion individuals. And those eight billion are what make up this world for all its beauty and all its chaos. Anyway, so yeah, doing that, even to the point of this morning, you know, feeling out of sorts and turning to guidance, turning to the team, not just me, and and settling my mind and you know, becoming aware of what uh what's going on for me inside. Yeah. So after a year of waiting, I am committing myself to a year of action, which is gonna be a challenge. So then we spent the next day talking about this business a little bit anyway. You you you were right into the action.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, yeah, I had an interview drop yesterday that brought in, I think I have 40 odd meetings now over the next four weeks. So yeah, it's exciting. It's all whenever an interview drops, I mean, you always want lots of meetings, right? Like that's sort of the reason, you know, it's part of the reason you put yourself out there. You want people to reach out.

SPEAKER_03:

When you say meetings, you mean new clients.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Potential new clients. So I I wanted the business to be just really tight. You know, I uh every time uh an interview drops, I was actually given a heads up before this one dropped. Usually it's random. It's like, oh, it'll come out sometime in you know, whatever month, and then I'm waiting the whole month to know. And the only reason I find out is because my email suddenly goes on blast. Gets bombarded. So yeah, it was nice to have that heads up. So I had time to I like to go through the website and make sure everything's working properly and make sure my hours, I add some extra hours usually, make sure everything's, you know, all when someone submits a form, they're actually receiving what it says they're gonna receive and all that. So it's sort of a cleanup time. And and so we also started to chat about the school and what the format was gonna be. And the day sort of got away from us yesterday. I think, you know, by the end of it, uh we didn't get too much done on that front, but the basics were there. And I think it's something we're gonna really focus on now. Just a methodology and a format.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, we're really, you know. It's it's definitely not gonna be a year of waiting. You know, the house is on the market. The yeah, part of the day yesterday was just cleaning up the final items that we wanted cleaned up around the house so that you know somebody coming in is not gonna say, ooh, yuck, I don't like that. That door handle doesn't work properly, or that that's you know, dirty or whatever. And so, you know, it's the house is on the market, and we're open to finding ourselves homeless very soon. Well, let's say it this way we're we're very open to changing our home very soon. And yeah, we have ideas. Of course, we have ideas and and we have intentions, but anyway, the we're acting, and and I think what makes that so real is that the the physical office is closed, although we have a facility that we use if we if we want to, but our own unique space is is sort of over, and our home is about to be released, and our focus is really becoming online. And it's it's just simply that we've learned a lot about how to help people. And I have found in my work that there are very deliberate themes, very deliberate ideas that make the world different for people. And that although it has been really a joy and a blessing to work with people one-on-one, these ideas and these reframes and these approaches to thinking and the mind are available to anyone. And the instant you start implementing them, your life changes. And so there's the I have this real desire to get it out there, put it online for anyone to access at any time they want, and support that with my presence. So that idea of being available to meet with people and of course do hypnosis with people, but more importantly, put the hypnosis in a recording and put it out there for people to use over and over if they want, until it's no longer making an incremental difference, and then moving on to the next one. And so the business becomes not so much one of a one-on-one service as it becomes a business of helping as many people as possible with ideas that just simply have been helpful for everyone up to this point. And so it becomes a different way of being because it's not, you know, meeting with people, seeing if they want hypnosis, then guiding them through hypnosis over six-week period of time. It's it's much more about you know creating from these core ideas and putting it out there through the school. And we believe that I believe won't speak for you. I believe that that's going to result in us helping a lot more people. And I want to do that. And I like doing it that way. Because I I've had way too many clients where our first session, sometimes first couple of sessions, are just really trying to get past their fears and their barriers to hypnosis. And when you can do that on your own, when you can just press play, sit in your favorite chair and follow along, and then say to yourself, Oh, well, that was no big deal. Yeah, that was kind of nice. Yeah, that was a good way to spend a half an hour. Then there's a real opening.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And that's part of the reason why I think we do the podcast and why I like doing the podcast, and why when somebody comes to me and says, Oh, I was thinking about hypnosis, I say, listen to our podcast. Then you'll get to know who we are, and you'll get to know our approach to these things. And that might make you more comfortable to the idea of sitting in a chair. Anyway, that's the future, and that's the goal, and that's the aligned action that is now my word for the year. I suppose heavy on the action, but also heavy on the aligned. It gives me comfort. It calms me down, it makes me less concerned with making mistakes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's something that came up during just recalling it now. It's nice to be recalling these things because they're all written down, but uh it's nice for them to come to mind while you're speaking. Just this idea of diving into work without alignment, right? Without spending some time before deciding on something to do, just checking in and what should I do? Or not I I know we don't like that word should, but just asking for help in terms of just what might be for my highest good today, right? Instead of picking a direction out of fear and then wondering why it didn't work out.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Fear creates, but it creates that which confirms the fear. You know, when you create from a sense of fear, what you try to create is protection. And as I say to my clients all the time, most of us are busy protecting us from our favorite life. We're protecting ourselves from our happiness and success. We are protecting ourselves from the potential of not attaining what we hope to attain, and then we never do what it takes to attain it. So we end up having a year of waiting that we follow by a year of aligned action.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I wonder how you stop waiting. You know, not you in particular, but how do people uh it's kind of a thing, right? Humans wait, hurry up and wait, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03:

So, what would the opposite of waiting be?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I mean, in a sense, it would be doing action, but there's also the little part of me that's like, well, just slow down, like just wait, you know, just have patience. This will happen. Because we want it to happen right now. Oh, you know. So where is that balance between taking action to move forward in things, and then just giving it over? It's just this back and forth of giving it over and taking inspired action, I suppose.

SPEAKER_03:

So I think it's possible to be waiting and still be busy. You know, there's still grass to cut, there's still shopping to do, there's still laundry and cleaning. We can be very, very busy while we're still waiting. I think waiting reflects a mindset much more than it reflects a physical activity level.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_03:

And I think that waiting is essentially a lack of intention. Waiting and seeing, those go together very well. I'm gonna wait and see. I'm gonna wait and see. I'm gonna wait to see what happens today. I'm gonna get up today and I'm gonna go to work and all that stuff. I'm gonna do things, but we'll see what happens today. We'll see whether or not I have a good day. We'll see whether or not, you know, good things happen to me today or bad things happen to me today.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

We'll see what the drive to work is like. And I think it's one of those things that we, that I, and I think that we as people forget is that forming an intention is a powerful thing. Right? It's not just, oh, I'll get to work and we'll see what happens. It's forming the intention, I'm going to get to work safely, calmly. I'm gonna have a nice drive today. I'm gonna listen to my music or my story or my podcast. I'm gonna enjoy myself on my journey to this place that I call work. And just forming that simple intention changes it. It's one of those things we fail to do. So to me, the opposite of waiting is intention. It is deciding before something happens that that's what you want to have happen, and that you are going to then align whatever you can align towards that outcome.

SPEAKER_00:

And in that sense, are you making choice to have intention?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, you know what that word means to me. It is a lifelong puzzle, this idea of choice. And I've written about it, I've taught it, I've spent a lot of time thinking about it, even this morning, constantly learning what it means. And I'm more and more aware every day of how we don't make them. We don't make choices, we live out of habit. The mind is a habitual thing, our lives are habitual things, and living out of habit might sometimes be our choice. And there are certainly things worth, I don't know, worth turning into habit, making them subconscious, doing them without thinking about them. You know, there's some good things that we can do that with. But unfortunately, I think for most of us, our habits are created for us or imposed upon us. They are programmed into us to get us to fit in. And well-intentioned, again, you know, all this stuff is always well-intentioned. I don't ever want us to judge the people who gave us our habits. Yeah, there's no value in that. And they came about that as innocently as we did.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

But what we have is a moment, and that moment is right now, and that moment right now to examine why am I behaving the way I'm behaving? Why do I do the things that I do? Why is this so habitual? You know, why, you know, examining, why? Why was I waiting all of last year? What was I waiting for? What failure to create intention was really upon me? What intentions could I have had while I was waiting? Because some things I was waiting for, some things I was correct to anticipate and to be preparing myself for. And then that becomes the intention. Am I preparing myself? Yeah. So intention and choice and choosing the way your day is going to go, and choosing and accepting that there are things that are out of your control, but remembering that the magic moment is the moment you interpret what's going on and what it means about me. Right? Yes, things are going on all around you. How am I going to interpret that? How am I going to take that on? How am I going to judge that? Those are all things we can choose. And the mind can be shaped through meditation and hypnosis to interpret things differently.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I think I'll have a laugh here. Yesterday morning, preparing for the interview to drop in the afternoon. I have this lovely deck of tarot cards, the lightseers deck. And I just asked Willy-Nilly, like, what's going to happen today? And pulled a card or a few cards or something. Anyway, as soon as I saw the cards, I was like, no, I don't want that.

unknown:

Put it back.

SPEAKER_00:

And then I looked it up and it wasn't all that bad, but I didn't like the look of the cards. And then I pulled another card and I didn't like it too much. And put it back in. I was like, okay, I'm just gonna write what I want today. So I suppose, you know, it's it's uh fun and insightful for sure. But what I wrote so far has come true, you know.

SPEAKER_03:

Power of intention.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. Now, after I looked up the cards, I thought, I don't want to be like that. It was all about sort of looking at the past and beating myself up about it. And I'm thinking, how does that relate to how does that relate to the interview coming up or whatever happened yesterday? But yeah, it was insight, it was insightful for sure, but it did make me want to choose my own path.

SPEAKER_03:

Well then that it was a good thing.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And choose not to not to not look at the cards exactly, but not to do what the cards were sort of telling me was gonna happen. So there's another choice, I suppose. You know, don't look at the past and beat yourself up.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, and that's that's the magic of what we've been doing for the last three days, is we really tried to shift from a passive waiting and seeing to the creation of intention, all the way down to a bit of a business plan and and making decisions for the school to receive the world in this new world, this new year, this new, this new year in a new way with intention, which I think is why the topic of choice was supposed to be the topic of of today's podcast. And I I really feel kind of pleased because I sort of see it as instead of starting with the word choice and breaking that down by just reflecting on what we've been doing for the first five days of the year.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

First four days of the year, we're in the fifth day now, we realize that we're deliberately attempting to make choices. That what we want is to set intentions, we want to move towards them, we want to take inspired action, aligned action. We want to embrace the power of the whole and move towards helping as many people as we can understand and use their mind to be able to make their own choices freely, without interference of the past, without interference of a program that they didn't want, without interference of habits that don't serve them, without the interference of their own judgment and fears, and embrace the idea that you can live and do and have and be whatever you choose. And the first step is understanding what's getting in the way. And that's why hypnosis is so valuable. That's why it's become the tool that we use on others and on ourselves to help people move in that direction. And I guess the discovery that we're doing it for ourselves, because we very much spent most of the last two days, three days in an alpha state, right? The whole world kind of disappeared and we were internally focused, and we were completely observing our own mental processes of the past, of the future, of the present.

SPEAKER_00:

I think there was a lot of trust over the last few days of letting go. That could be like the starting word for the first words for the year, you know. I think it started in just trusting, trying trying to choose in a moment of fear to trust the universe, you know, and what uh also like with my car, right? Choosing to let that go. And it was very much like words in my mind that weren't my own, I felt, from the very beginning of just call them the mechanic. I just had this deep feeling that they were going to purchase my car. And I wasn't sad about it, I wasn't fearful about it. I wasn't, it was like, all right, this is happening, but it was confusing, right? And then I just I kept asking and asking, okay, is this what you want me to do? Is this what you want me to do? To my guides and God and whoever. And at one point I asked so often, they were like, Are you kidding me? I don't know if that was my mind or what, but it was like uh uh yeah, just call. And so I called, and minutes later they had purchased it. I was like, okay, let's do this.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it was minutes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Just minutes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

We didn't even get a chance to sort of sit and think, okay, well, how is this gonna go? What's the negotiation gonna be? How is it? It was like boom, done.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So yeah, we're we're I guess we'll go after the snowstorm, maybe, but do the thing with the car. But yeah, it's just it's been a real test and an exercise in in trusting. In the chat, it says your second reframe, I'm guessing from the school, is the perfect reframe for this work. Choosing and being what we envision, choosing and being what we envision. And trust is the word I had chosen for my intentions for 2026. Isn't that lovely?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah, that's a again, another whole podcast topic, trust, right? It's probably taking a chance here by saying it, but it's probably the one thing that we are greatly programmed not to do.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

It's one of the things that our programming that we've received from the time we were little. Don't trust others, don't trust yourself, don't trust the world, don't trust things. I suppose there are things to trust, and I suppose there are things not to trust. My favorite old saying that I learned when I was a teenager, and I've I've found it to be valuable to think of, you know, it was trust people, but trust people to be people. And I found that to be a useful idea. But now I feel like trust, yeah, there are things to trust, and we have been programmed not to trust them.

SPEAKER_00:

Um well, yeah, my mind goes to well, trusting trusting in something greater, not so much people, but that something greater is is working the background stuff.

SPEAKER_03:

Trusting in the value of your own existence.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Trusting in that you matter and you have something that is essential that the world needs, might be the world within arm's reach, but it also might be the world as a whole, but it doesn't really matter because everything contributes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And I don't know how exactly I feel it ties into self love. I can't really put it into words. Words, but I feel like that's all along the same path.

SPEAKER_03:

These concepts, you know, we're talking really kind of a theoryal stuff here. And it's not always what we talk about. Sometimes we're very practical, we're very scientific and deliberate because there's value in that. There's knowledge to be had, there's awareness of how the brain works and how the body works and how the mind works that you know science brings us that we sh we should keep an eye on and should embrace. And we should, it implies methods that make life better. But we can't deny the fact that the journey of hypnosis over the last for me, God, I don't know, it's probably pushing 25 years, well over 20 years, has been one that has sent me into that which is not physical, being aware of my mind, being aware of my broader self, the levels of mind, the aspects of mind that most of us live every day without even being aware of, let alone using. Right? The awareness of programs, waking up and saying to myself, well, there's gotta be a reason why I keep doing this dumb thing. There's gotta be a reason why I don't do the thing I want to do. There's gotta be a reason, and then to find how deep and broad the mind can be and how that connects you to mind in a much higher sense and a more holistic sense.

SPEAKER_00:

I think to to for a moment come back to choice, what's registering for me is, and I I find, and uh correct me if I get this wrong, but the idea of you're born and everything from then on is choice between, right? So where is trust when it's like this or that? You get this or that? Where does trust come in? Trusting yourself, trusting the universe to provide, trusting, you know, when there's choice between, it's sort of uh fear-based at its base at its base.

SPEAKER_03:

Most common, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Henry, you have hit on one of my favorite kind of problems in the world, right? It's the program. And you know, I wrote a whole book about this, I've thought about this for my whole life. Choice is not choice between, but if I'm trying to interfere with your ability to choose, I'm going to create for you a whole series of choices between. You have the illusion that you're making choices. You even have the illusion that the choices are coming from you, but they're completely defined. If I can limit the options you can choose from, then I really am hiding choice from you behind this concept of choice between. I used to play it with my kids. I'd take them to the grocery store and they would take turns on who got to choose the breakfast cereal, right? Breakfast cereal. Like we all know what we want, choco cocoa puffs, right? As much sugar and chocolate as we can get. And the shelf is covered in stuff that looks like food but isn't.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And so it would be, oh, no, it's Sam's turn. Sam's turn to choose the breakfast cereal. And I'd say, well, you get to choose between Wheatabix. Well, Cheerios and Shreddies, which at the time were the the limits. Curl ups. Yeah. Yeah, but he got to choose. Yeah. And he felt empowered that he got to choose.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And he didn't understand why he could have choose something else, but he got to choose. And then the treat, I suppose, at the end was he got the whatever prize was inside.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Because it was his turn.

SPEAKER_00:

I wonder if they still do that.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I think they do.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

But in the end, I guess.

SPEAKER_00:

Not in brand buds.

SPEAKER_03:

Nobody would ever choose that. Um, but anyway, choice between. Choice and choice between. And what is choice? And I want to talk about that a lot. It's the highest form of living. It may be the only way of living. And although we are habitual beasts who reduce as much as possible to habit, including all our thoughts, the highest expression that we can engage in is honoring our curiosity and our creativity and making a choice. And although many people will react badly to that idea, because after all, that will lead to chaos. I'm going to suggest that that's just a program you've been fed to be afraid, to be afraid of others, to not trust. And in my life experience generally, I really haven't met a lot of bad people. I've, in fact, I've I've had to change my mind about a lot of people in my life. People I've met, strangers, by the way they have proven to me, in spite of my judgment, their trustworthiness and their goodness. And I think we all struggle with that.

SPEAKER_00:

Like the guys on the bus in Cuba.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah, that's a whole story. That'll take us an hour to tell that story. But yeah, yeah, we come. I come forward with my preconceived notions and my judgments based on ridiculous little things. And I could have quite easily stuck to those and missed one of the most fun times I ever had in my life. But that'll be a story for another day.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. Wow. This went on this was a longer one. Didn't feel that long. Interesting, eh? Is there any questions? No questions. Have a great day. We'll see you later.