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Inside The Mind: Do You Think In Images, Words Or Something In Between?
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We explore how people think in pictures, words, or feelings, and how matching language to that inner style transforms communication, hypnosis, and self-talk. We share client stories, reframes, and simple practices to replace harsh inner chatter with a kind, effective voice.
• defining visual, auditory-verbal and kinesthetic modalities
• listening for modality cues in everyday language
• matching words, images and feelings to build rapport
• habits of perception shaping thought and behavior
• internal dialogue patterns and parental influences
• turning up the kind voice and reducing critiques
• reframes that combine sentence, image and sensation
• attention training for state shifts and resilience
• practical rituals for daily self compassion
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We are on the line. It's a beautiful day. The music was nice, but I think it might be too loud for the background. Hello in the chat. So it is winter.
SPEAKER_00:Today to winter.
SPEAKER_02:How many inches of snow do you think that is? Maybe eight.
SPEAKER_00:No, not much, but but it's lots. It's lots. Everything's covered. I might call that five inches.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_00:There's a lot of jokes here.
SPEAKER_02:I'm not gonna oh boy. Well, I slept in this morning, so my brain is a little foggy, but yeah, today we're gonna we're going to talk about something. Oh my gosh, there's there's another person here. Hello. Good morning. So we are talking about this morning differences in thinking, the way the way people think, whether it be visual or words or even feelings about things. Yeah, I thought I thought it was a it's a broad topic. It's it encompasses a lot, but I think it would be helpful. It'd be interesting for people to hear about and learn about. Maybe they don't even know people have differences in thought. And I think for hypnotists, it's a learning, uh a way of learning how to help other people because we're always looking for how people are interpreting what we're saying, their internal environment. What what does a beautiful place look like or feel like, or what do you know is there? There's different words that we have to use with clients. So based on their thinking, the way they think.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think a lot of people are surprised to find out that everybody doesn't have the same chatter and noise in their in their in their head, as we say. In our minds, we have a lot of really big things going on. First, of course, is probably primary as most of us, you know, begin our lives. Primary is perception. And perception is in itself a really interesting. I keep coming to the word modalities because that's that's really the neurolinguistic programming concept. You know, we rely on our senses in different proportions with each of us. And for me, it always comes back to, you know, thoughts or habits. So whatever's going on in your mind is something that you've got good at. I've got really good at relying on my eyes, or I've gotten really good at relying on my hearing, or I've gotten really good at relying on my perception of other people. Um, some people are really good at relying on their vibration. They can walk into a room and they can feel the energy of the room. I think that what's important to understand is you start with the idea that we all have a bit of a different process going on in our mind, uh, in cooperation with our brain, because the brain is that perceiving mechanism. And so for a lot of clients, they're really surprised that everybody else doesn't have the same music going on in their head. They don't have the same pictures going on in their head, they don't have the same words traveling constantly, that there's a voice for some people that's constantly talking to them. You know, people have these experiences of their mind. And I think there's a lot of value in just taking the time to understand, to accept that there's differences, to try to figure out what the spectrum of those differences are, the breadth of those differences. And then that as hypnotists, of course, you know, we use that understanding of modalities in the language we use, because the subconscious mind is most open to its own language. And when you're using concepts or ideas or approaches that the subconscious mind is not familiar with, you're going to have a hard time shaping the subconscious mind. So some of the simple ways you do it is you just listen to the way people talk. You know, you just ask them, you know, uh, what's going on for you? And they'll use interesting phrases like, you know, the way I see things is, or it all seems to move in a picture, or what I what I can picture is, and they'll use language that suggests that they're very visual.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That they're very reliant on that part of their their perception. Other people, you know, will say things. I find that that that some people are very, very body aware and they use feeling. I feel this. When what they really mean is I think this, but they'll say, I feel this way about it. They'll talk about their emotions more, they'll talk about their body feelings and sensations more. And these are very kinesthetic people, right? And so all of a sudden, you know, they're talking, and I will start shifting all of my questioning to feeling questions. Well, how do you feel about that? And what does that make you feel? Or if they're very visual, or how do you see that? How would you picture that, right? And what happens is we we create sort of an easier rapport because we're using the same kinds of language that they'll use in their own mind in a subconscious way. So I think there's just a lot of power in being aware that not everybody's internal processing dynamic is based in the same perceptions, it's based in the same approaches. And that's okay. There's no there's no better one, there's no right one, there's no good one and bad ones. Right? They are all essentially, and I I always go back to this. They're they're all habits.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. I'm just I just wrote in the chat, can you hear us? Are you able to hear us? Just checking. Just wanting to make sure. Yes. Okay. So yeah, it's it's it took me a while as a hypnotist. Again, I think this is an intro, it can be an interesting topic for for everybody, even if you're not a hypnotist. I certainly see it online a lot when I when I come across just randomly every few months, I come across a reel of somebody going, I just learned that you know, some people don't have internal dialogue. Like, how is that even possible? And then everybody's like, what, what, why just losing it in the comments? How do you even live? And so I I think it's I think it's really fascinating. I don't know how we get here in as human beings. I don't know why why I think differently, you think differently, and everybody has a sort of a spectrum of how they think. But I I it took me a long time to learn as a hypnotist how different it was for people and how to help them based on based on what they perceived in their in their body, in their imagination, in their mind.
SPEAKER_00:Well, you know, you take someone into a trance, and if you're not aware of what their modality is, you're likely to tell them, picture this. And then later when the session's over, they'll say to you, Oh, well, you know, I'm not very good at picturing things.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And you spend the whole session now visualize, you know, those kinds of things. So as you as you interview a client, as you talk with people, um, and this is just a really good social skill, I think. Listening to the way people talk, being aware that each of them approaches it in their own unique way, listening for it, being aware of it, and then mirroring it back is really, really helpful to them, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So it takes chewing a bone in the background. I don't know if that's really loud or not, but yeah, it is helpful for people to even learn that we are, I don't know if the right word is catering, but helping them with their mind based on how they interpret their internal environment. Even as a client, sometimes I'll tell them, you know, this is why I'm using this kind of language. Is this helpful? And and they'll be sort of caught off guard thinking, oh wow, is there is there something different?
SPEAKER_00:I always use to remind myself about the differences. I always think about my friend Drew, wonderful young man. I love him very much. He's the child of one of my dearest friends. He's he was born profoundly deaf. He had very little residual hearing, and he essentially, from the day he was born, was really, really receiving the world in in ways that we aren't, you know, people with who are fully have all their senses, it uh perceiving the world in a way very different from us. There's things about Drew that that are striking. Drew is an incredibly sensitive guy. He can walk into a room and sense what's going on very quickly. He has an uncanny ability. It's almost like a sixth sense to pick up on things going on around him. It makes him very, very good with people. He can really pick up on people's emotional state really fast. And of course, his his vision is exceptional, so exceptional that he is a an incredible photographer. The way he he sees things, the way he frames things, the way he pictures things, he traveled the world and took, you know, thousands and thousands of pictures. So it's not just knowing photography, he has a sense of he has a sense, what's the word in art that composition. He has a sense of composition. And he can, he trained to be a cinematographer and a director in film. He he just has that ability. He works cameras now in some of the top TV and shows and movies. He's he's just had a movie released recently. Anyway, as a primary cameraman, so he has that that ability to just add his own unique perception to thing. Now he has a cochlear implant and he speaks, you wouldn't know it the way he speaks, and he's a lover of music and all those things, but that all happened later in his life as a teenager. And so it's like, I don't know any other way to say it. It's like his experience shifted to be more reliant on other senses, and with that came certain gifts. And with Drew, it's really about how he sees things, and and that's the language to use with Drew. And I really come back to this idea, and I know I sound like a broken record, but I think that it's really important to remember that we are habit-making creatures. We make habits and we move things from conscious effort down into subconscious ability. And we do that with as many things as we possibly can. And we do that to be efficient, we do that to be effective, we do that to have a better life. And all in all, what happens is we we default to whatever modality works best for us, and that becomes a habit, and that becomes what we rely on. And then we get, you know, we're turned 35 and we're not particularly pleased with everything going on in our lives, and we go to visit a hypnotist, and that's when we discover that oftentimes in a discussion with somebody about a mind, we discover that other people don't think the way we think. Yeah, other people aren't as reliant on certain senses as we are.
SPEAKER_02:So I thought to give you guys some context. Les and I have realized that we over the years have very different ways of thinking, which is interesting. It fascinates me really. I wish I knew more, and maybe I'll find out now. I guess I'm always talking about the way I think, because it just plays into so many things that we go through sometimes. So, you know, I guess I guess I'll start with with my mind. As I've said on the podcast before, in many different ways, is I am very visual. And I hope no, I I did see in the comments on these little videos that I talked about a few minutes ago, that people think if you don't have running dialogue in your head, like how are you even living? What kind of IQ do you have? So I hope, you know, for anyone listening that they don't think I have like a low IQ because of this. But the way I think is very visually based, and this is gonna sound crazy. I cannot string full sentences together in my mind. They're always partial sentences, or my mind really likes a word for a moment and replays a word over and over in my head, or there's a hum. Yeah, I have images that pop in. Or if I try to pull sentences together, it's in slow motion. Like I can't, I can't focus. So why I ask Les to ask me questions, and I love questions, is because somehow when I'm asked a question, my mind starts pulling words in for me. Sentences. I I know this sounds insane, but someone in the comments and I laughed, I literally laughed out loud. It was one of those moments. Someone said, What do they what do they think? Like what's going on in their mind? Is it like the thought, lunch, burger, hungry? And honestly, it sort of is like that. It is sort of like that, not as you know, Neanderthal sounding, but yeah, but you know what? I I was thinking afterwards, there's got there's some good things to this. I can't, I have a hard time. I should say I can't and never, but like I have a hard time thinking badly about myself or like saying bad things to myself. And I hear that a lot of people do that, you know. So yeah, I think there are positives to it.
SPEAKER_00:Most communication on a face-to-face, person-to-person basis is verbal, although many people have learned how to pick up physical cues, and that idea of nonverbal communication has become uh much more popular in conversation and in in media. You know, we're we I love listening to Chase Hughes, who's a former government operative who has really learned how to read people and understand them, watching them physically, not just the words, but also watching the way they put words together and the patterns of words. So there's a whole science that exists in examining how these things happen. I think when people tend to just converse, that when somebody is not a big word person, they're highly visual. When they're communicating, they're having some difficulty. Whereas, if you, you know, as it is with Hillary, she will conceive of things holistically. So she will picture things. She will get when she does art, it's like things already there. She just has to get it down onto the canvas, onto the medium. Hillary can spend hours of the day focused on visual things, um, uh creating websites, creating artwork, creating tires to go on on this is stuff that comes very quickly and easy to her. And her imagination functions in that level too. So that's where her creativity is, and that's where she naturally goes. So, yes, if you're a if you're a yapper like me and you're asking Hillary questions, right? You got to be patient because words are not going to be the fastest way for her to answer you. And she just, for me, I've come to understand that she visualizes an answer and then reduces it to words rather than has a flow with words. So I think there's a real tendency. We always do it when something's different from us, we don't understand it and we quickly dismiss it or we quickly judge it. And, you know, our our relationship requires that we bridge that gap, that we take the time to understand, you know, the way the way we converse has to be accommodating to that. But yeah, like there's tons of benefits to it. Right. Like I can, I can just say I'm thinking about this and I can describe it in words, and then she sketches it, right? I can I can ask her, you know, help me with the layout of this. Or I just, you know, there are so many visual projects in our work that I just hand over to Hillary. Here, go for it. And that's really, really well, it's speedy, it's helpful. I find it good because it causes me to learn. I'm not non-visual, but I'm not visual based. I have, I like words. Words are my friend. I like lots of different words. I think there's a precision in communication that I really enjoy. And I like to take the time and the effort to be precise, to try to be helpful in the way I speak. That made, you know, Hillary's tendencies made her a natural industrial designer, a designer of things, an imaginer of things. For me, words make me a pretty natural teacher. And I love to write. And the expression of ideas and words is something that I enjoy. So again, thoughts are habits. So when we find something that's easier, we tend towards it. When we find something that's faster, we tend towards it. Then we start to get even better at it, building habits, and then we become almost reliant on it. So, yes, I'm one of those people that I sit and talk to myself.
SPEAKER_02:Internally?
SPEAKER_00:Internally, yeah. I'll talk to myself in turn. Well, Hillary gets to witness it when I'm sitting silently, which is usually surprising that I'm being silent, and I'm sitting silently and I'm processing and I'm having conversation with myself, and I'm having conversations as I've learned with my higher self. I've learned to do that. That's become very important to me. So what happens then is that we process differently, which results in the way we behave being different, which results in us needing to take the time to be aware that what's going on in my head, as we say, in my mind, is not what's going on in Hillary's mind. And that together we need to bridge that gap. We need to find a way to communicate. Because communication is really all human beings do, isn't it? I mean, everything is a form of communication. Everything we do around and with each other communicates to the other. And that's why so many of us pick up on other people's body language, other people's habits, the people that are close to us. We can see a simple move of their eyebrow and interpret it. Right? Because we we we desire to communicate. We're born to communicate, we're born to connect.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And I bet you in most relationships or any kind of relationship, we don't ask the other person, well, how are you thinking? Like, you know, what goes on inside inside your mind in the chat says I talk internally as well as out loud. Uh people will look at me funny when I do this in public because I forget I'm in public. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and I do that. You know, it's it's fun. I'm sure you can relate to this. We're driving down the street and we start talking to ourselves.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And we have to check the car and make sure there's nobody in there with us. And then we carry on our conversation with ourselves. Yeah. Which is not easy to follow because some of it's internal and some of it's external.
SPEAKER_02:Can you uh this fascinates me? Can you describe internal dialogue? Like, is there a voice in your head or like is it I I don't know. Can you describe to me what is there full sentences going on, like full narration?
SPEAKER_00:What does our friend say in the comments?
SPEAKER_02:Nothing yet.
SPEAKER_00:I'm hoping hoping you're answering this question too. I wouldn't call it full dialogue because you don't you don't have any of the requirements of another person. Right. Right. And it's fast, it really can be fast. It is it is a voice. I've heard this said and I believe it. Often the voice in our head is the voice of our parents. Our parents have a lot of input in our in our thinking patterns as we are very young. And there are patterns, of course, within those patterns that are exclusive to that parent. Right? So there'll be times when I'm talking to myself as if it was my mother, and there'll be times when I'm talking to myself as if it was my father, and there'll be times when I'm talking to myself and arguing with my mother and my father as myself.
SPEAKER_02:Wait, you argue in your head?
SPEAKER_00:Not in the way you think of arguing.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:When two people argue, things are said, then there's a response, and then there's a response, and then there's a response. The argument in your head goes on much quicker and doesn't require full sentences. Right. I have come to have my own interpretation of that and developed my own new, very new habits of that. But I want to do is there anything in the chat?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Go ahead.
SPEAKER_02:I was just waiting. It's short sentences or sometimes images, both negative and positive. My internal voice can be very judgmental.
SPEAKER_00:And I would ask, is that reminiscent in some ways of a parent or somebody close? This is great.
SPEAKER_02:Don't worry, negative error time or whatever you call it is uh cut out. So can take all the time we want. I don't hear a parental voice. I am my own. Yeah, so they don't hear like the sound of their parents.
SPEAKER_00:Well, it's not necessarily the sound, but I get exactly what they're saying.
SPEAKER_02:I am my own judge and jury.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean, that is again, I'm gonna come back to the understanding that thoughts are habits. And oftentimes, like I find this in hypnosis, is sometimes the first layer that we're removing is the actual client themselves. So if we're regressing or we're trying to find, you know, where these negative thoughts come from, where these negative limiting beliefs come from, they often come from ourselves. So we've gotten in such a habit of thinking in negative terms, or more importantly, in critical terms. We we've gotten so completely in the habit of believing the limits of ourselves that those beliefs become ours. So that that first voice that we hear is really ours. You know, uh where did that limiting belief come from? Well, it's it's from me. And then we have to push further to go back because really, you know, very little is from me, very little is my origination. Most comes from somewhere else that we accept completely. So it's possible that somebody, and it doesn't even have to be somebody close, somebody can say something to you that you can quickly or they can react to you, and it causes you to quickly formulate a belief about yourself. So it didn't actually come from you, but it was adopted by you so quickly and so completely, and then used so many times by you that it becomes a habit, that it starts to just be your own voice. And I think that when we talk to ourselves and we talk to ourselves a lot, it becomes our own voice. What's interesting in those scenarios is to start to really pay attention to the quality of those voices and to look behind them to see the beliefs that they reflect.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:This is this is deep internal work, right? Because first you have to accept that there's voices in your head, and then you got to accept that these voices are sometimes friendly and sometimes not. And you really can turn up the kind voice. You really can start to listen for the kind, loving voice. It'll it'll arrive, it'll show up. If you wait long enough and you ask yourself, well, what would the kind voice say? What would what would I say to myself if I was being kind to myself? That voice will show up, and that voice will speak in kindness. And the more you let that voice speak, the more it will speak because thoughts are happening. And so you will get in the habit of allowing the kind voice to speak. And it might not sound like a different voice, because I don't know if the word sound is the appropriate way to describe it, but the vibration of it, I'll use that word, the vibration of it is different.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Have you ever noticed a difference in the vibration of the voices that appear in your head? I'm asking our friend.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, there's there's some stuff in your societal judgment ideas are the first negative thoughts. Then my mind will either agree or challenge the idea and judgment. Currently, my internal chastising is about not being busy or having a productive day. So I am working to rebut the chatter. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Is there a is there difference in the vibrations that you feel in the voices?
SPEAKER_02:That would be an emo emotion, like the feeling of the words.
SPEAKER_00:You could say that they sound different.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, the strength of the chatter is different.
SPEAKER_00:There you go. There you go. We we all we're all going to use different words to describe that. I just dropped into I went from the idea of having different voices to having different vibrations within the voice, just as a way to find a way to distinguish, because you can distinguish with these ideas that are going on in your mind. Some are caring, some are not. Just like a visual person can visualize fearful negative things. Oh, yeah, very quickly.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Right? There's a difference in that vibration that a visual person would go to.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Right. And there are people who are very physical in their demeanor, kinesthetic, and they will physically react to things.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And they will have a different. I'm going to continue to use the word vibration, suggesting that there's there's maybe a better word is loving, different degrees of lovingness in in these internal goings on.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And that's there. That's there for for everyone. I think there's a lot of value in knowing that. I think there's a lot of value in knowing that every single being that you're interacting with or not interacting with, just observing in the world, has an internal process going on.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It's when they take their attention from the internal workings to the external world. Because the external world is always at us, right? There's always dangers, there's always things, there's always stuff going on, there's always people talking at us, coming at us, doing things around us, near us, in our proximity. All of this pulls our attention outward, right? And that I think is the critical tool, right? Learning how to use your attention, learning how to shift what you are internally or externally focused on. That's that's your point of interaction, right? That's your that's the tip of the pen. That's the lens on the camera, that's the microphone pointed in a direction. That's the our attention is our point of contact. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, absolutely. I I think this I had a really contrasting example of this come up with a with a client a while ago. And in our meeting, in our first meeting, they mentioned saying to themselves a lot, I'm a piece of poop. But, you know, change out the word poop for the bad word. And that caught me off guard. They came in for anger, basically snapping at everything. And they would constantly, constantly, subconsciously, even in their mind, say to themselves, I'm a piece of poop. And so it was funny. I thought, okay, I know this is just a free consult, but we need to get on top of this like right now. I like this is right here, right now. So So we pulled that old thought pattern out. It came from parents, gave it back to the parents, they gave it back, they gave it back, you know, that technique. And then she felt lighter. Well, didn't the anger basically all go away right after that? I saw her a week later and she said, I can't even believe it. Like this is this happened, this happened. Like I nothing, I I didn't get angry. Now, what I kind of took away from that is that when people say mean things to themselves, I said to her, Imagine cornering a little you and telling them, you're a piece of poop, like you know, they're gonna fight back at some point and they're gonna get angry, maybe, right? And so I I felt with this person at least that the all these little angers that were coming up were were were coming from this beating oneself up so badly. And now now they she can't even lock on to those words. It's like they don't even exist. So wonderful, wonderful, fast change for this person. But it really in the comments is I have found that a lot of the old negative chatter, right, has been quieted or even silenced with a more gentle approach to laying over a new idea to replace the old way of thinking.
SPEAKER_01:Nice.
SPEAKER_02:So sort of the same sort of thing going on, right? Right, new habits of old nasty chatter.
SPEAKER_00:And that's negative chatter. That that is, that's possible. You know, I'm discovering that myself. Um, I've been discovering it for a while, but there's uh there's a vibrational mindset that we have to turn to to be able to generate that. But yeah, I I I really believe in the in the kind voice to to imagine yourself talking to yourself as a child is a really nice way to get good at that. We all, I think, can recognize the innocence inside ourselves when we were young, just how open we were, just how malleable we were, just how shapable we were. And that includes all of the ways that we behaved and thought and and all those habits. And I think we all have that awareness subconsciously, that that's where a lot of what we think and how we think came from. It came from that that lifetime, that part of the lifetime, that part of experience. Anyway, to then be the adult, I think is a beautiful technique. To be the adult bitch, the parent that you wanted to have, the parent that would have been nice to have, and be that parent to yourself and for yourself. You know, parents have their own world going on. I'm not being critical. I've been a parent, they've got their own world going on, and then they're reacting to what's going on in their children's lives, and they're feeling responsible to manage that in the children's lives, but they're also feeling responsible to manage everything, and they be grit, they become impatient, they become short, and they use words and actions that are harsh in a desire for expediency and a lack of capacity to be present and aware to everybody in the circumstance. Right? That takes that takes a lot of deliberate thought. And so parents will react and they will use phrases and they will habitually use phrases, and they will label behaviors that are in their children as problematic. And because children will behave in habits and parents will respond in habits, that the children start to see certain kinds of their behavior as particularly labeled a certain way. And as a result, that becomes an internal voice, that becomes an internal response, that becomes an acceptable response because they we love and admire our parents no matter who they are, no matter what they do. And we take on their characteristics, we take on their habits quite naturally without a lot of resistance. Anyway, these kinds of things then become habits, and these start to become our own voice, and these start to become our own methods. And, you know, it's the same for visual people. I mean, uh, you know, warriors have an incredible ability to visualize negative situations. They can picture them, they can, they can picture them so strongly that they'll they'll feel them.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_00:People who feel, people who are very much kinesthetic, they're very much movers, they're they will have habitual reactions. These are people that I often see. I can often tell uh somebody who feels a lot by how much they twitch in hypnosis. Right? They will they will release things through their body. And so they will twitch and they will move and they will jerk and they will do these things while they're in the chair, and we're making shifts and we're making changes. And so that's the kind of person that you'll talk about how they feel, right? So what's coming to me right now to talk about, and I don't wanna I don't want to stop other people from pitching in, but the point is that I I'm thinking is when we sit and do these podcasts and I do reframes, they're very word-based. I'm a I'm a philosophy guy, right? I believe that if you develop a personal philosophy that guides all of your actions, that that's if you can reduce that to some small, very potent idea, that's a really useful tool in your life, right? So I'll reduce things to things like I am a child of the universe and nothing can ever change that, right? That's just a really good awareness. And for me, that has a visual content to it. I picture, you know, this big white light and this little piece of light inside the big white light, and I see that it almost as childlike, I feel it almost as childlike. There's a loving compassion that comes with it, but I'll use the words as my reframe. And what we should do also is take those same reframes and turn them into visual experiences and turn them into feeling experiences. And so that you can think of a phrase, picture a picture, feel a feeling, right? One of the things I say to my clients all the time when I'm using reframes is I say feel the meaning of those words, right? What do those words feel like? Right, because that's very vibrational. I think the body is very vibration, and I think that you can quickly make shifts internally by attaching that feeling vibration, because that's that's tapping into emotion state.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think, yeah. I was thinking number one for the reframes. I I think that's a great idea. A metaphor and story are important for visuals, uh visual people. Like if I'm I I this is probably with a lot of people, even if they're not visual exactly. But you know, I could I I university was not easy for me when I was going to university back in the early 2000s. It was I would sit in a three-hour lecture and not remember anything because it was just textbook. There was no story to it, there was no visual element. So yeah, that was hard done, you know. But where was I going with this? This is another thing with visual people is they have a hard time holding like different concepts in their head for a long time. So yeah, I think it would be important to do that with the reframes. There was something I was gonna say, but I've forgotten now. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So I suppose, you know, to to come to some kind of recap, you know, to be aware that what goes on in your mind is unique to you, although there are similarities to others and uh and there will be differences to others. That, yeah, another point I just want to make quickly, you can change that. Now, that doesn't mean you're gonna go, you're gonna flip a switch and go from being a word-based person, talk-based person to a visual person. But what you can do is practice the other modalities, right? Just like you can practice shifting the voice. You know, where's my kind voice? Where's my loving father voice? You know, I'm I want to use that voice right now, not the hyper-critical, harsh voice that that is hurtful and insulting. I want to use the kind voice that is encouraging and supportive and loving. You know, I can make that shift when I'm a word person, but I could I can also imagine, allow myself to imagine, try to visualize. And I've noticed that the more I do this, the better I get at it, visualize the scenario of a loving parent talking to the young version of me in a way that counters the way that young person had been talked to before. And I can visualize that. And then I can try to feel that. I can try to feel the love that that person would have. And when I combine the words with the imagery and the feelings, I'm really having a big impact on my subconscious. I'm having a big impact. I probably noticed that if I try to do all three, I become much more internally focused, which is just to me one of the primary characteristics of hypnosis, is that if your attention is completely lost to the outside world and completely turned to your inside world, you're in a really great state of hypnosis. If you then use a tiny bit of imagination, so I've now made the shift, I'm using the kind voice, I've pictured the kind loving parent. I have now felt the vibration of the love of a parent to a child. And then I take that out further and imagine myself always turning to this voice, always having this person to turn to, always, you know, we all replay experiences in our head that we love because they just they they accomplish things for us. So to do that and then to push it out and imagine yourself doing this more frequently. Imagine yourself existing in this very kind state. Imagine yourself living your life, walking through the mall, talking nice to yourself. Imagine yourself doing the shopping, talking nice to yourself. You good, you're driving to work, you're talking nice to yourself, you know, these kinds of things to picture them in more and more scenarios. They become more diverse, more broadly applicable habits. It's about, yeah, the the best way to get rid of a habit is to replace it with a better one.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. I've tried, and I can do, you know, little, like uh in the chat said, I can do little sentences like I love you in my mind. So I've sort of gotten into a habit of in the morning waking up and before I go to sleep, just going through my body and saying, like, I love you feet, I love you legs, I love you hips, I love you back, you know. And what I've noticed, and not to carry this on too much longer because we got to go soon, but what I've noticed is to think of, well, what does a loving feeling feel like? When when we say, I I stay away from saying, I try anyway, I try staying away from saying something nasty to myself because I feel it. I feel like gut-wrenching terrible terribleness, if that's a word. So it's very easy to to stay away from that. But to think of nice things like I love you, body, I love you soul, I that's a totally different feeling. That is almost like this welling up of the whole body, every cell celebrating and feeling loved. And it's just this totally different feeling, it's almost energetic and happy, right? It's almost like you just want to sing. It's just a total, totally different feeling, obviously. But I think if you haven't felt that, if you have not tapped into that feeling, and I invite listeners to start, just just go into a light meditation and just say, even if you just want to start with yourselves, yourselves, telling them, I love you. Thank you for doing a great job. I know you're always trying to help me, heal me, you know, we're we're this, we're on this journey together. You will feel, I I almost guarantee you, you will feel a something. You will feel something almost like what I said just said, the cells are just really loving that you're actually involving them suddenly. And then you can go to your soul. I found yesterday that speaking to my heart, imagining my heart and imagining my soul there. And what does that feel like? What does that look like? Anyway, going off on a tangent here, but I think it's important to do a little bit of that work so that you can you can feel what that's like, and that's a magnetic feeling. And I I promise you, if you feel it a little bit, you're gonna want to feel it more because it's so nice. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Any final thoughts and questions?
SPEAKER_02:Wishing you a nice day. Thank you. Thanks for joining us again. If you're if you're listening, wherever you're listening to this from, whether it be Apple, Spotify, the just our main buzzsproad link, YouTube, just look in the show notes or the description and you'll find it all the ways to get in touch with us.
SPEAKER_00:Thanks for being here. Makes it a whole lot more fun.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it really does. We're not speaking into a void. Okay, have a good day. We'll see you later.
