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A Guide To The Life Between Lives | A Hypnosis Perspective
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We trace a clear path from daily life to the life between lives and show how hypnosis can safely open that space. The result is practical: less fear, more perspective, and a steadier grip on purpose.
• what life between lives is and why it matters
• how mind exploration leads to spiritual insight
• pre-birth planning and soul group agreements
• Michael Newton’s methods and key discoveries
• practical hypnosis techniques to meet guides
• the roller coaster metaphor for Earth school
• NDE reflections on reality and clarity
• why sessions bring calm, not fear
• a client story that reframes death
• integrating insights for daily choices
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We are online. So we have lots of snow here. We had family over the weekend today because of a snowstorm. So we didn't do a podcast yesterday, but that's all right. But it seems to be a nice day. It seems it doesn't look too crunchy out there, right? Is it crunchy snow?
SPEAKER_01:No.
unknown:It's not very cold.
SPEAKER_01:It's not cold enough to be crunchy, but it's below zero, so everything's freezing.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god, on the east coast, it's 15 degrees. What are we doing?
SPEAKER_01:Lucky duckies.
SPEAKER_00:No snow.
SPEAKER_01:Lucky duckies. It feels it feels like winter here. It's got every sign, symptom, view, feeling, temperature to be winter here.
SPEAKER_00:It is like January here. But anyway, today we are going to chat about something that we don't often talk about here on the podcast, but funnily enough, is the highest viewed or listened to podcast of ours across the board. And that's about the life between life between lives.
SPEAKER_01:And with any client that we do, you know, really committed work with, we always end up there.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's always part of our our program with clients. They always end up there doing work between lives.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Off to the other side, as I say.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, let's let's skip over to the other side.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Go to the other side today.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's pretty inevitable considering hypnosis. I mean, I don't think you can really with customized hypnosis, say you you're not just doing suggestion-based in the chair talking at them for a certain amount of time. I feel like if it's kind of inevitable to have the clients start to know that they are more than just this body and feel it, right? We've had clients that they don't even know about the life between and we don't push them there at all. But eventually they start to dip their toes in without our uh our saying, you know, go there. So that's always fascinating.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think I think for a lot of people, the exploration of their mind becomes the exploration of spirit. It's impossible, I think, to see yourself the same once you've started to explore your mind. Oh no. Sorry. You know, I listen to, you know, people have heard of Sam Harris, a psychologist who really promotes meditation. And it's amazing how spiritual he can be now when he speaks. He's been on this meditation journey for a long time. And, you know, it's not for anybody to describe spirituality. I guess for me, it's reached a point. Even yesterday I was sitting, and I was having a really hard time separating an old concept. I learned this concept years and years ago in in university when I was studying early Christian history, Christianity, theology, things like that. There is no division between what is sacred and what is profane. That's what the words we always used. That the that religion, spirituality was a pursuit of the sacred, and the opposite was that which was profane, earthly, human.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, can you say is it's not profane, not like profane words, like like yeah, like a profanity. Oh, okay. Yeah, interesting.
SPEAKER_01:So I guess what I'm driving at, and I'm I'm getting at is that when you start to explore your mind and you start to see its role in creating your reality, first and just in terms of your interpretations, on the most practical level, your mind interprets what's going on around you, it interprets how you feel, it interprets what other people say and do. Interpretation is an act of the mind. And we realize that just on interpretation alone, I can change my interpretations of things and have a very different experience in my life. And then when I start to explore my mind with things like deep hypnosis and meditation, I start to discover the depth to who I really am. And when that's pursued further, you start to discover your connection to everything and everyone. And we start to talk about that as if it's spirituality, but it's just the truth of the full expanse of who you are, right? It's a very personalized anecdotal study, so we can't call it scientific, but it's very much got methods. We very much try to repeat it. We try to do the same practices to have the same experiences or similar experiences. You know, I'm just like I'm having a hard time separating that which is scientific from that which is spiritual. I'm having a hard time separating that which is sacred, holy, beautiful, wonderful, from that which is profane, which is earthly and human and, you know, sometimes dark. And I see it all as a continuum. And once you start really exploring your mind is my point, you uh you are automatically led into a study of these things that you might otherwise call spiritual. There is an enormous aspect of who and what we are that is not tangible, that is not physical. And the pursuit of your mind in your mind, about your mind, about the presence behind your mind, the decision maker, the choice maker, that pursuit can be perceived as a spiritual one, easily labeled that way, and spiritual-oriented people will call it that. But it's really just the exploration of who you really are. It's really quite practical. This is who you are. You are an enormous mind. And if you weren't so totally focused on your physical body every day, trapped in the demands that this physical world places upon you just for survival, you would easily discover this. And, you know, I want to do a whole course on this because this is busting the matrix stuff, right? This is this is the really big picture. I don't want to live my life as a body, as somebody else's slave, kind of thing. This is, I want to know who I really am, and I want to fulfill my destiny and be the full authentic self that I can be. I know I've gotten really big really fast. These are big ideas really fast. But for me, I wanted to point out that typically we see as a dichotomy that which is earthly and that which is spiritual. And what they really are is places along the same continuum of experience and that the experience of your greater self, the experience of your higher self sits there waiting for you. Sorry.
SPEAKER_00:No, I that was a bit of a rant. So we have a question here. What is life between lives? And that that's a normal, I guess that's a good segue into that question. You know, what what is it that we're talking about here? What is life between lives? And so, you know, uh in our world, uh the life between lives is the place that your soul, that your consciousness uh resides, let's say, between incarnation or incarnate incarnation incarnating. And it's where we apparently from studies or plan these lives that we live out. It's where we are with our soul groups, the other souls, the other consciousness that we hang out with in lifetime sometimes. And it's really where we feel at home, I think. At least that's what comes through through regressions. And I don't even know. I wrote Life Between Lives Regression. When you think about there being no time, I can't wrap my head around this yet, but the the idea of time really not existing. I'm not so sure it's a regression. Sometimes I think it's us doing it in the moment as if we're little time travelers, but it's all in the moment, in the present moment, going into the life between. Even when we look at pre-birth planning, the idea again that we plan these lives that we're living and going to the pre-birth planning place specifically, looking at, well, why did I set that up for myself? Right? What was I even thinking? And those souls along our journey that some of the souls that we feel hurt by the most. And, you know, this is I know I know when I say this, it kind of gets under the skin of a lot of people. And I understand why, but those souls are sometimes our closest soul group souls that that sign up and say, okay, yeah, I'll I'll help you with that. It sucks, but I'll help you with that because I love you. Oh, I I we could go down a rabbit hole there. But yeah, it's it's this place where we travel the universe, we have other lives on other planets where we are closer to that vibration of consciousness, of pure consciousness. Sometimes we don't even have physical form. And that's another note. This is another this is the place where we don't have that physical form. We have exited Earth and we are going to that place in between, right? Life between lives. And what do we do there? Tons of stuff.
SPEAKER_01:So there's a there's a hundred million zillion ways to approach this, and it really depends on your level of experience or or exploration at this point. I mean, because it's it's something that if you're interested, if you ask the question, who am I really? If you ask the question, what is the nature of this life? What is my purpose? Who am I really? You know, what are we here for? If you ask these kinds of questions, you're going to be led to these kinds of answers. I, uh, a friend who was a student of mine, and she just happened to post on one of her social medias that she read this book by a guy named Michael Newton called The Journey of Souls. And I thought, oh, that sounds interesting. And it got my attention. And when things get your attention, that's for a reason. That's your higher self-seen, yeah, that's one. Go after that. And and I read that book, and then I read the second book, The Destiny of Souls. And then I had a third book, which was a collection of essays, and I read that book, and then he had a book on the hypnotic technique of taking people into life between lives, and so I read that book. And at that point, I was pretty excited about it, and I went for my own hypnosis journey so many years ago, and my hypnotist Peggy took me there very briefly. Yeah. Yeah. To to the the blue mist, to the to Bardo, to what there's all kinds of words for it, right? You know, somebody calls it the front hall, other people call it the doorway, other people call it the foyer. Doesn't really matter what you call it.
SPEAKER_00:The vestibule.
SPEAKER_01:Right? The vestibule. There's so many words for it, but that's the place where you can go interact. And when people come in, that's where they start. And when people go out, that's where they leave. And this is just a word for that. Anyway, so Michael Newton was a hypnotist, a psychpsychiatrist who used hypnosis as part of his therapeutic process with his counseling client. And over the years, he found, you know, you read this at the beginning of his of his book. He found that regression therapy was very valuable. Past life regression was very valuable. He wasn't convinced that past life regression was actually to previous lives. He he did it anyway because he believed it was therapeutic. He saw the therapeutic benefits. So he didn't worry about whether or not somebody actually had that life where they had that name and they had that life experience. He was more focused on how that led them to the resolution of present-day issues. And and yeah, it was very uh helpful in their own thriving. So he did it. And then one day he took somebody forward from a past life. And instead of, he had assumed that you just go from life to life to life. And instead of saying, Now let's go on to your next life, he said, now let's just move forward. And then the person found themselves from their death. So he took them from their death scene and he said, Let's move forward, anticipating that they would move forward into their next life. And more specifically, he anticipated they'd move into their present life because he was trying to tie the therapy together from the past life to the present life. And he said, Now let's move forward in time. And the person just moved into the life between lives. And that's when he discovered that you can hypnotically take people there and that they can have complete higher mind experiences of this place. Now I'm going to jump from that to a different story. Forgive me for battling, but I this is the way it works in my mind. So I had been learning about near-death experiences for years. I've been paying attention to life between lives stuff. I was already had my own past life regressions and was very aware that I didn't start here. I'm not ending here. I am not this body. I am using this body. I am not this personality. I'm just using this personality and experiencing this personality, that there's more to me than all of this. And I was already really comfortable with that. And I was on a plane, I was headed to on a flight from Calgary to Kelowna. And I got on the plane and I was the last one aboard, as it would turn out. And there was only one seat left, as fortuity would have it. So I sat in that seat, and beside me was a guy reading a Nick.hahn book, a Buddhist book. And I sat down and I got comfortable. And he's reading the book and looking out the window. And I just said, So, what do you think of that book? Because I had just recently read it. And he's and he didn't even go into the book. He said, Well, you know, I've got a weird way of looking at things because I died. Oh. And of course, I'm sure everybody around us on the plane perked up, but for me, that was just like, Yes, right. I get to meet somebody who had a near-death experience.
SPEAKER_00:And you had already read these books that you talked about before.
SPEAKER_01:I'd read these books before I talked about. I was already very, very comfortable in the idea of, you know, the other side and the limited nature and and the limited nature of this life that we're in, this incarnation, which of course absorbs us completely. I mean, there's really nothing else. There's a reason why when we come here, we forget everything else, so that we can be completely absorbed in this. But anyway, I just said, I want to know. Talk to me. And he told me the story of he was he fell in a lake in the middle of winter and he died, and he went to the other side, and then he came back, and everything had changed at that point, including his own intuitive abilities. And although he was an artist, his art became something otherworldly and really lovely man to meet and talk to. He's got a video on Vimeo. It's not on YouTube, or at least I haven't found it on YouTube. But if you search Jeremy's near-death experience on Vimeo, you'd probably find him. Anyway, we had a lovely conversation about that. And there's a whole bunch of things I remember from the conversation, but the critical part that I remember, and so when people talk to me about life between lives, I take this quote from Jeremy. And Jeremy said, first quote, he said, it's more real over there. And I said, You mean like it's more intense? He said, no, it's just more real and clear. And so every once in a while I have these experiences while I'm living my life, and I sort of feel kind of foggy and I feel disoriented and I feel disconnected. And I think on the other side, you know, he just said things look and feel more real. Second thing he said was, this is the commercial, right? Referring to these lives. This is the commercial. On the other side, that's the movie.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And we discussed that. But the idea that he had said to me was basically, your true nature is over there. That's what this is all really about. These are little side trips into experience to advance you on the other side. That your principal nature, the movie, the critical story, is on the other side.
SPEAKER_00:Sorry to interject here. I I work with a lot of people and I see a lot of people that say to themselves and say in comments on on spiritual TikToks or or YouTube's or reels of all kinds, I never want to come back here. Like, why do I come back here? Not coming back here. And what I say to that, I don't comment on every single one of them, but I definitely try to help my clients with it at least, is that when you're over there, imagine knowing in your in your being that that is home, like that you know that that's home. So when you think of having a lifetime, you remember, yeah, I'm gonna come back, right? Of course I'm coming back. We just forget in these lives, right? So, of course, as a soul, you're gonna go, oh yeah, that's just a blip. That's a few seconds of a lifetime, right? And so we we go on these journeys because we know we're coming back. We remember.
SPEAKER_01:Over there we remember. Over here we don't remember.
SPEAKER_00:We don't remember.
SPEAKER_01:And so it's it's kind of normal to get pissed off.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, I think I I always in my mind picture a roller coaster. And I've taken lots of my kids, and when I worked at a group home, I took lots of kids onto roller coaster. And roller coasters are a ton of fun for some people, they're not a ton of fun because they really get honestly scared.
SPEAKER_00:Like me.
SPEAKER_01:The experience is one of holy crap, I'm gonna die. Right? It's really legitimately fearful that something bad might happen. And I picture that meme that we've all seen where there's one person sitting on the roller coaster and they're squirreled down in the corner with their eyes bugging out of their head, a scream half out of their mouth, just recoiled against it all. And beside them is somebody else who's got their head tilted back, their mouth is open, laughing, their arms are up in the air, they're trying to enhance the craziness of the experience because they know that they're not at risk. Yeah. They know that nothing bad actually will happen because they know that it's just a short-term being tossed around. So there are people who love roller coasters and they put their arms up in the air and they try to do everything they can to increase the amount that they're affected by the actual roller coaster because they know deep down, absolutely for sure, there's nothing at risk here. There's no way I'm getting hurt, there's no way I'm gonna die, there's nothing bad gonna happen. I'm just being tossed around. So, this is the essential nature of forgetting when you come into these bodies. When you come into these bodies, you absolutely forget that there even is another. And because you forget, and everybody around you forgets, everybody through hypnosis and authority and all these ways we affect the subconscious mind, we convince each other that there is no other side. We even take people who think, well, there might be another side, and we wag our finger at them and say, don't talk foolishly. And then we sometimes grab these people and put them into religions that talk about heaven and hell, and that there's gonna be judgment, and you could go to hell. So don't mess this up. And here's the things you do to mess it up, and here's the things you do to do it right. And if you just do these things, then your fear of going to hell is gonna be assuaged and you're gonna be okay. And this is this is a collective hypnosis that we are not something more than these bodies.
SPEAKER_00:That that idea of the roller coaster, there's a great meme out there with the person having so much fun, and then the person right next to them in terror, and there's a little words beside each person. One is my spirit guide, the one having fun, and then the one in terror is me. And I I I think that's a nice intro for us to go into our guidance system, our guides in the life between. We meet our guides, or many people meet our their guides in hypnosis, when they die, come back.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so I think before we step there, let's start to the process. The process is hypnosis, it's still an a deep induction. We're going for a really deep induction. We set really clear intentions before we begin. Because remember, Michael Newton, when he first did it, it was because he didn't have a clear intention of what he was doing, and he tripped upon it. So I always, first of all, set a very clear intention that we're gonna go, that when we get there, we're gonna ask permission. Yeah. Because for some people, it's not part of their growth path, it's not what's best for them right now, it's not the most useful thing. For some people, it's absolutely the next step. And from my experience in hypnosis, that usually after three or four, or sometimes five or six sessions, it is inevitable that we need to go to the other side and expand the human mind into understanding that they're a whole lot more than this body having this particular life. But we ask permission, and I have had one occasion where we were told no. But I think it's just a you know, a good check-in. And then we have different techniques. That there's techniques where you go to a past life and then you move from the past life into the life between lives. I use a technique, I just call it the bridge. We just cross the bridge, right? With the intention that we're going to experience that, we cross a bridge. There are other techniques that people use. What are the techniques you use?
SPEAKER_00:I will have them go to a beautiful place of their construction. And sometimes I'll be guided to use the bridge, but many more times I'm guided to just have the orbs or the visuals or even the feelings of guides coming to them. First creating a space of higher uh vibration, almost like a like a pyramid around them or a big orb of safety. Not that they're not safe, but it is it is good to sort of set the space, set the tone for highest beings to come through. And then bringing through those, um, whether it's visual or or feeling, but just asking for their guides or their higher self to come forward, step forward. The one that I've seen work the most, and I don't know if this just is just because we can really put ourselves there, is being on a beach and seeing beings walking towards us. That one seems to work really well.
SPEAKER_01:So, yeah, I mean, however we get the client over to the other side, then it's about meeting whoever you're meant to meet. I've had clients meet all kinds of different people. I've had them meet one, I've had them meet five or ten, I've had them meet their personal guides, I've had them meet people from that have passed on. There is no sort of limit to who might come to meet you. And I'm going to always assume that, well, yeah, it's a really safe assumption that when someone's sitting in my hypnosis chair, their guides are present to them, and their guides will coordinate what is best for them in that moment. And typically, when when I do that invitation of whoever's going to come forward, I take them across the bridge and they see, um, when they're across the bridge, they just naturally see like thousands and thousands of lights, and those lights are moving around, and those are being. And we call out to the ones that are meant to meet us, and we find some of these lights coming forward. And sometimes those lights, when they identify themselves, are very much attached to the person, and sometimes they're very authoritarian and separate. I don't like that word, but but not always active in the person's sphere, in their life, in their in their overall groupings on the other side. But anyway, whoever comes forward comes forward, and they're coming forward for a purpose. And then I just at that point facilitate conversation between and then ask, is there any place you're taking us today? Because I I I at that point I hand it over. It's it's very much holy experience again, separating the sacred from the divine, I get sacred from the profane. I consider it to be a higher experience, and I I'm always learning about the other side. More importantly, I'm learning about the difference everyone has in their experience of the other side. But then from there, we just follow uh for me. I just follow instructions. I'm always in conversation with the guide through the person in the chair as to what do we do next, and then whatever comes to me in terms of questions or whatever comes to me in terms of resolution for the person in the chair, I follow those instincts. Yeah. So that's the hypnotic experience.
SPEAKER_00:And I think it's just dawning on me right now. I think it's safe to say that people, when you take people through life between lives, it's almost like a random experience in a session, or you're given the idea of going there before the person comes to you a lot of the time. And for me, people sign up specifically for a life between lives session. So what's interesting here is, and I I like to take what Les is doing and apply it to my sessions is my sessions are very much about, okay, what questions do you want to ask, right? Write out before the session, write out 10 to 15 questions you want to ask your higher self or or uh guides. And so we go through the questions as as many as we can, but I really like your idea when it's random. Not that it doesn't happen randomly for me, but I like your idea of really letting them have this back and forth conversation, having it be very intuitive. I'm not sure if that's the right word. Yeah, does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I mean, I I think that yeah, you point out that for me, I don't see it as possible to really do a full therapeutic, full therapeutic satisfying hypnosis experience without a number of sessions and certainly with at some point, usually the culmination, is to go to the other side. And sometimes it is, sometimes it's really spontaneous when I'm working with a client that, you know, it becomes really clear they need to go to the other side and we just do it. And for me, it's always been sort of, although I've had, I guess, one client come in and say, I just want that. Generally speaking, it's within the context of the larger therapeutic journey that I work with my client. You promote that, you promote yourself as facilitating that. And so you draw to yourself, I think, a lot of people who have who have lots of meditation experience, even some hypnosis experience, people with a lot of spiritual pursuits. You know, that I'm sure we're speaking to some people who have already read Michael Newton's books and they're already there. And so, you know, you promote towards that. And I guess, you know, to to uh to to just put a fine point on it, I guess I just don't promote as maybe I should.
SPEAKER_00:And maybe there's that should. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe no shoulds. Maybe we'd all like me to. But the point is, is that yes, you can you can be on your own spiritual pursuit and you can use just this aspect of hypnosis therapy to take you further on your spiritual journey. I mean, that's for me, hypnosis has always been a spiritual journey.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I was thinking, I was thinking about tomorrow, tomorrow's podcast, maybe sharing our spiritual experiences, maybe one or two that we've got logged in our minds. But we'll see. We'll see tomorrow.
SPEAKER_01:So I know we're jumping around, but I'm hoping that we're explaining this because as much as you know, some people just like hearing about the woo-woo, I think some people really want to understand, you know, I think it can be intimidating. If somebody said to me 25 years ago, well, uh, there's this thing called life between lives, and we can take you to the other side, I think I'd be both curious and scared and confused. And I've I have always experienced in my own mind the power of my mind and the question that am I just creating this? Is this just fake? Is this just me imagining? I have such a good imagination, maybe that's what it is. And and I want people to be able to hear this and say, ah, this is totally safe. It can be done in a systematic, step by step way that leads you there. And if you're like already standing on that doorstep saying, Come on, I want this experience, we can also do it that way. And I want you to understand that it is hypnosis, which is nothing more than reducing the activity of your mind so that you can find. Focus internally on your mind. And this is where mind and spirit become one. And you start to see yourself as your true nature is mind. And that you are mind in a body, not a body with a mind, right? And you start to see yourself differently. And this to me is so important because most of the horrible things that we experience in this world, most of the horrible interpretations we put on things in this world get resolved when we become aware of our true nature, which is not body, which is not physical.
SPEAKER_00:We have a question here. When we go there, is it just to return home? How do we re how do we reincarnate again? Interesting. Yeah, that's an interesting question.
SPEAKER_01:That's a huge question. That's a huge question. Making coffee, sorry.
SPEAKER_00:Les is making coffee. So I'll I'll I'll go over some. From what comes through in sessions, it is sort of like a return from an adventure of expansion. So as the soul, we are as the higher self, as consciousness, pure consciousness, we want to expand in different lifetimes. Sometimes those lifetimes are heavy on the word expansion, or sometimes they're lighter. For example, Earth is a heavy on expansion, and there are some planets that people talk about that are lighter on expansion. They're more like, well, let's go to Mexico and sit in the sun for a whole lifetime, right? Like it's it's all light, it's all vibration, it is the veil is not really there, the veil that sort of cuts us off and makes us feel separated. So they're what we would maybe say easy lives where we can sort of dip in and out anytime we want. So imagine a planet. This one comes up a lot, actually. Imagine a planet that is pure crystals. The mind perceives and hypnosis that there's cities made of crystals. The whole planet is made of crystals, and we are pure vibration amongst those crystals. And we can be there, we can not be there, we can be on the crystal planet, we can go back quote unquote home for a few moments, and we can just experience that vibration. And the word healing comes to me for that planet. It comes up a lot. It's like a place of rest and a place of relaxation and a place of peace for when we've been going to these other planets that are more physical. So I'm not so sure it's just to return home when we go, when we go there.
SPEAKER_01:Ask me, ask the qu read the question again.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, when we go there, is it just to return home? Do you mean in a session or after this life is done?
SPEAKER_01:So so when when we're doing it in a session, it's really about an experience that is that is permitted of your more of your higher self, of the reasons why you decided to come and do this. Sometimes it's very therapeutic to be reminded that you're on a roller coaster, that you're gonna be okay, that you came here to have that crazy, fearful experience, and you're gonna be okay. And here's what you need to focus on. And no, I've never had the experience that the guides didn't have a lot of very calming guidance to offer. They always had very calming words and ideas that they share with the hypnosis subject who comes out of that trance feeling such incredible peace and awareness and comfort. Not like everything's fixed, because this is not a place where things get fixed, but very much that they understand what they're here to do, how they should approach this experience, and how to be generally happier and more effective in the experience that they choked. And that's the that's the end result. So we go there. It's like a reset, it's like a reminder, it's like somebody lovingly and calmly saying, Don't worry, you're gonna be fine. And it it, you know, it's all important. It's important that you do the best you can, but it doesn't matter. You're not, you're not gonna go to hell and you're not gonna cause the world to end, and you're not going to hurt other people. You're here doing your thing, it's all fine. And that therapeutically is why we do it. On the larger picture of, you know, do we return there? Well, there's a lot that has been explored. Um, you know, Michael Newton was the first, but there are a lot of hypnotists out there who specialize in this. And there's a lot of hypnotists out there who are doing their own exploration of the other side, using their clients and subjects in hypnosis to understand better, you know, what's going on on the other side. And in terms of reincarnation, you're going to, well, it's important to realize that you are so much more than this incarnation now. You are not this body, you are not this person, you are having the experience of this body and this person, but you're not having, you're not having just one of these. You're having, yeah, literally hundreds and thousands. Typically, you know, what I've learned is the people who come to this dimension, this planet, Earth, as it as it were, Gaia, as it were, people who come here generally commit to coming here a lot. They commit to have a series of lives here. I think it's because, in part, it's really hard to get comfortable here. It takes a few lifetimes to get comfortable, and that also the progress here is slower but meaningful. And it's a collective progress. You know, we've all read and heard lots about how we think the world is evolving. This is a collective thing. You can have incarnations on other planets, and just imagine as we started, if you were incarnated on a planet that has a whole different spiritual approach and has more of the memory of who they really are and shares that with babies, for lack of a better word, the new people who are born into these worlds, they're being hypnotized, they're being trained, they're from the instant they're infants and becoming accustomed to that incarnation, their parents, their community, they're reminding them that they're an eternal soul and that they are going to be fine and that they're just having an experience and that they're there to learn something. And imagine if we were all born and that was the message we got from our parents. Instead of the message of, look, the world's a hard place and you got to take care of yourself and watch out. Don't touch that, don't do that, don't go there. Sit down, don't say that. You know, if you didn't, if you had an experience of you're safe, everything's fine, you're loved, you'll always be loved. We're loving you. You are you're completely and totally safe. You'd have a completely different personality, right? So I think it's important to realize that there are a multitude of life experience possibilities when it comes to incarnating in different dimensions, in different worlds, in different universes, to have all of that possible. And you choose over and over, for the sake of your own growth as an eternal being, that you're going to make a commitment to this Gaia plague, this earth plate, and you're going to keep coming back, incarnating under the terms of forgetfulness and I suppose kind of a chaos. And you're making your way back to a higher understanding, which is why so much of what's helpful in this world is considered therapeutic, and why so many therapies, no matter what, the really effective ones, all seem to focus on your mind and on your energy and on your overall health, not on specific. There's a babble if there ever was one.
SPEAKER_00:Does that answer the question? Perfect. So yeah, life between lives. It's fascinating. It for some, it can be a little freaky. Usually after a session, the words are that was weird. And that was weird for me is always great. It's never a bad thing. Yeah, I think it's it's like telling me that the person went into an awe state.
SPEAKER_01:A state of wonder.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Nobody ever comes out of one of these sessions saying, Oh my god, I'm scared, I'm upset. That was that was terrifying. That's never the reaction. The reaction is always that it's calming, that it's therapeutic, that it's helpful. Yeah, yeah. But this these sessions always result in a sense of peace. That brings us full circle.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well, I I'm gonna leave off with I'm gonna leave off with a client. He wouldn't mind me saying this. And I've said this on a number of podcasts. This is a little client story. So he came in for his sleep to sleep better. And in one of his sessions, it's a six-session program, and I think it was around maybe the fifth session or fourth session. He randomly dropped into the moment of separation. So the very first separation from source, from God, from from consciousness. I'm not sure. From oneness. From oneness. This is the very, very first, before any lifetime was lived. This was the first separation. And for him, and it's keep in mind it's different for everybody, but for him, he had the experience of Mother Mary. And he had the experience of little souls around him, almost like kids, right? Separating and then playing, but being scared and but comforted. And the tears, I mean, oh my god, the tears rolling down his face, big, big tears. Beautiful, beautiful, emotional experience. And he left that session a changed person. And the reason why I I he said in his next session, I know I came here for sleep to help with sleep, but now I'm not afraid of death. And that was that was beautiful, right? That's that's probably why his higher self sent him to me in the first place, is to have that experience. I truly believe that. And then months later, or maybe a year later, I think, I was in the clinic saying bye to a client, and I saw him walking towards the the clinic doors, and he came in and he gave me a big hug, and he just said, you know, sort of, I'm changed. Thank you, thank you, thank you. It still resonates with me. So anyway, again, like these sessions are transformative, I think. Transformative, and whatever comes to you in the sessions is is meant to come to you. It's meant, you know, your higher self, your guides are all working together. You, right? It's it's not up to them exactly. It's up to all of you what you wind up experience anyway. Like that was emotional for me at the time.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think that is not uncommon, I think, for all of us. The moment we become aware that there's more to us than this body, we start on a pathway that leads us to uh going from the the person on the roller coaster who's afraid they're gonna die to being the person on the roller coaster. It's a journey and it takes all of us different amounts of time, but we journey towards being the other one in the roller coaster saying, Whoa, what a ride, what a good time. I was never really ever at risk. I was always taken care of.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And I planned on doing this. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's the value of life between lives. It's a reminder that this is the commercial. This is not who you really are, that our real story is on the other side.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely. So thank you for joining us. And for the most part, we go live Monday to Friday, 7 15 AM Eastern Standard Time. And if you haven't yet, join our school. Link in the description or the show notes. Is there anything else you want to say, Liz?
SPEAKER_01:Thanks for being here.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you, thank you, thank you. Okay, have a beautiful day or evening wherever you are, and we'll see you later.
