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How Hypnosis Expands Our View of Death: You can know more than you think.
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Death isn't the end—it's a transition as natural and necessary as birth. This profound realization emerged as Hilary and Les shared their personal journeys from fear to understanding what exists beyond our physical bodies.
Hilary's story begins with childhood anxiety about death that haunted her into adulthood. A palm reader's prediction that she might die in her 30s created years of fear until near-death-like experiences at 21 and 31 propelled her toward deeper exploration. She describes consuming near-death experience accounts "like a drug" initially, before finding lasting peace and eventually working professionally with NDE experiencers.
For Les, the journey began when his Catholic upbringing collided with discoveries about reincarnation during university religious studies. The conversation explores how scientific examination of near-death experiences provides compelling evidence of consciousness continuing after physical death. Organizations like NDERF and IANDS have documented thousands of cases showing consistent patterns across cultures—patterns that deserve serious consideration rather than dismissal.
Through hypnosis, they've both accessed past lives and the "life between lives" state described by Michael Newton. These experiences weren't merely imaginative but felt like accessing genuine memories, complete with sensory details and perspectives entirely different from our current personalities. The therapeutic value of these regressions has transformed not only their lives but countless clients who've shifted from rigid, unhappy worldviews to more open, creative approaches to existence.
Perhaps most fascinating is an exploration of channeling—receiving wisdom from non-physical consciousness. Hilary describes how her channeled messages have evolved over time, becoming more distinct and clear as her connection deepens. This direct communication with higher wisdom reinforces what hypnotic regression reveals: we are not our bodies. We are consciousness having a temporary physical experience.
The wisdom that emerges is deceptively simple yet profoundly transformative: we're here to learn and create in a world of duality. Everything important, yet nothing ultimately matters. Understanding this doesn't eliminate life's challenges, but it fundamentally transforms our relationship with death, fear, and purpose. As they reflect on Les's father's choice to end his suffering, we see how our medical systems often fight against death as an enemy rather than recognizing it as a doorway we all eventually walk through.
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And then eventually, I became a hypnotist and I worked with near-death experience, still work with them to help them understand their experience, to help them integrate their experience, to help them integrate back into the body, because a lot of people that have died feel like they've got one foot out and one foot in. They don't really feel attached to the body. They have a lot of OBEs out-of-body experiences randomly, so they have to reintegrate properly. And so this is sort of, in a nutshell, my overview of my journey, and I still watch near-death experiencers talk about their story, but I'm not grasping anymore.
Speaker 2:I don't feel welcome to coffee with Hillary, and we are a couple of hypnotists who have created a podcast about freeing our minds from old ideas, old thoughts and old habits, those old things that interfere with our ability to make fresh new choices. It's time for us all to create the life of our dreams.
Speaker 1:We're on the line.
Speaker 2:It's only about five minutes later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like we teleported here Days later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm really hoping that the last podcast was received, you know, respectfully, like we. Really, I really wanted to be respectful and I really want to offer a whole bunch of ideas that might be really helpful to expand your own view, your own view to be able to formulate and come to a new, maybe more comforting, more exciting, more peaceful view of death. And I think to do that, I want to just start off getting Hillary to talk about. Well, I've known you now for a fair bit of time and it really wasn't that long ago maybe eight, nine years ago that you had some real strong emotions about death and fear of death and fear of death, and so maybe you can talk about where that came from and what happened, what you did that caused a shift.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how many hours do we have? Okay, so where do I start Start?
Speaker 2:with your history.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I was born February 20th. It starts with there being an interest in Is the word esoteric correct? I don't know, I don't want to use that word improperly Like oracle cards, tarot cards you know, I was the teenager that brought tarot cards to school, you know, and I didn't really know what it was all about. I felt a connection to them and you know my family we would hang out in this little new age shop and there would be, you know, psychic classes now and again and there would be just different thoughts of the world and how we're connected thoughts of the world and how we're connected, and so that was my base line that I started with in my teenage years. So I think I mentioned this in a couple podcasts back.
Speaker 1:But you know, I had a in my early 20s. Somebody close to me passed away quite quickly and I had this anxiety that welled up these panic attacks. For some reason they were not about death as much as they were about well, how do I get out of the body when we die? Such a weird thing to think. But I found a wonderful spiritual therapist, so I'm guessing she was a psychotherapist and a spiritual therapist in one and she helped me. And then I had my first out-of-body experience. So then I closed down actually after that because it was terrifying to me, so terrifying to me. So I'm just going over the kind of the biggest milestones and stuff like that. There's lots of stuff in the middle, but basically I had my palm red when I was a teenager, young, young teenager, maybe not even a teenager, but anyway I interpreted what was said as very bad, basically saying that I would maybe pass away in my 30s and so, if you can imagine, I held on to that all the way up and it terrified me because I didn't know. Obviously I didn't have a belief. Let's say that I didn't have a belief. I didn't have anything that I could hold on to. And I I thought every year oh my gosh, this is gonna be the year, this is gonna be there. And I was really scared now, leading up to that, at and 31, I had what you would call near-death-like experiences. They mimic a near-death experience and I'll never know if I actually died. People say I did, but I don't know if I actually died. People say I did, but I don't know. So basically twice in my sleep, 21, 31 you know I'm 41, this year's I'm do so those experiences at I had no idea what the heck was going on. At 31, I had the experience and my world started to really start expanding in the way of what do I believe in? And I don't know if it was around that time. It all seemed so mushed together, all the things I was doing.
Speaker 1:But I remember reading. I don't know how I came across the book, but I remember reading Anita Morajani's Dying to Be Me. She had stage four cancer, went into the hospital for her final day, basically died, and then learned about death after she died and then was told to go back to the body. And then, you know, as we do, we, we say no, you know, they say yes. And so she went. She came back to the body with the knowledge of what's on the other side in her view, and she recovered from stage four. I think in like six weeks. Everything had left her body because she was in this vibration, let's call it. So this was fascinating to me.
Speaker 1:And then I dove into the world of near-death experiences.
Speaker 1:And near-death experiences are like a drug at first right, you plow through them. Anyone who's watched them knows it. You go through them almost, like the next one will bring me more relief, relief, relief, right. And then you get to a point in watching them where you go okay, I'm not looking for that next biggest near-death experience that's going to bring me peace, but you just become peaceful about it all, hopefully. So then I thought you know why.
Speaker 1:I'm at the point in my life now, my early 30s, where I'm wondering, like, why am I so obsessed with these? Is there a reason? Right, I was finishing up design school or going through it and um, and then eventually I became a hypnotist and I worked with near-death experience, still work with them, um, to help them understand their experience, uh, to help them integrate their experience, to help them integrate back into the body, because a lot of people that have died feel like they've got one foot out and one foot in. They don't really feel attached to the body. They have a lot of obe's out of body experiences randomly, so they have to reintegrate properly. And so this is sort of, in a nutshell, my overview of my journey.
Speaker 1:And I still watch near-death experiencers talk about their story, but I'm not grasping anymore. I don't feel I find them fascinating because it's almost like stages that you go through and watching them. You, you see them and at first, there you notice it, things about them. And then you go through another stage where you're you're thinking, well, does you know what everybody have this or what if I don't have this? And there's just all these stages that you go through after watching them and learning about them and studying them, that that I think everyone, or most everyone, would go through those stages at some point and then come out on the other side with hopefully more peace. And then, sort of mashed in the middle there there's spiritual experiences that are over and above are you know over and above which sort of just set in stone, for the most part, the emotional part of me that feels connected to something greater than myself and if I missed anything, just let me know than myself.
Speaker 2:And if I missed anything, just let me know For me. Yeah, that's the great theme. I think that if I was to offer the first reframe, the first reframe I would offer you is that if you want to know, you can find out. It was once said to me you know, how can you know? Nobody can know, and I disagree with that. I think that there's a lot of information, a lot of methodologies. I think that I believe in that saying that comes, you know, out of the Bible. Really, seek and ye shall find you know. Ask and it will really. Seek and ye shall find you know, ask and it will be given. Seek and ye shall find.
Speaker 2:I have never had, let me say it a different way. I have always had the experience that when I have a strong question in my mind, I find the answer. It just comes upon me, it just comes to me and you know. For me, the short version of the long story is I grew up truly loving my mother, looking up to her in every way. She was very Catholic, and so was I, I suppose, and I was maybe 12 or 13 when I first heard the idea of reincarnation and I was like what Right? Because I had been raised so clearly that you're born, you live, you die, you get judged, and that was such a strong message in the Catholic Church. So to discover that Christianity is really the only religion that does not acknowledge reincarnation and that, in fact, it was the Conference of Nicaea. It was 500 years into the Catholic Church before they said no, we're not going to support ideas of reincarnation anymore.
Speaker 2:And for me that was a really, really big one. And, of course, my desire to know truth. My desire to know truth, my desire to know god, I suppose, led me to go to university and study religion. And it was. I was researching a paper on studying early christian rites of death. I was all about the rituals, trying to understand where do these rituals come from? What's the history anyway? Where do these rituals come from? What's the history, anyway? It was there that I happened to bump into a book on near-death experiences written by a Dutch professor. He essentially cataloged all these people who had died. Now there's another book by a guy named Moody. Is it John Moody?
Speaker 1:No, raymond.
Speaker 2:Moody, raymond Moody. Another book by a guy named moody. Is it john moody? No, raymond, raymond moody. Um, you know, and who's the one who?
Speaker 1:wrote proof of afterlife proof of afterlife is um. It starts with an l. I can't remember another nde a big, big nde guy.
Speaker 2:Um, anyway, all of this was approaching a very scientific methodology, which was why is it that people who are clinically dead and come back all report the same sequence of experiences and the same kind of deeply committed new ideas? What's the name of the guy?
Speaker 1:Jeffrey Long.
Speaker 2:Jeffrey Long. Jeffrey Long, and in Jeffrey Long's book he actually goes in quite a lot of detail cataloging all the different aspects of people's near-death experiences and what percentage of near-death experiences recorded have the same or similar reports, and it's in from 55 to 75 percent of these reports are contain all the same components. And there's been, you know, a lot of people who want to dismiss this or poo-poo this, and I can understand if. If you can't independently or quote-unquote, objectively prove this, why you would be inclined to dismiss it. At the same time, you know, I consider and I've said this before the most unscientific thing you can ever do.
Speaker 2:If you really want to violate science, you ignore evidence. That's like a scientific crime, right. If a scientist is out there and they take a body of evidence that contradicts their thesis and they hide it or they dismiss it out of hand or they use non-scientific ways, scientific ways of denying its veracity, that's a scientific crime, right. And for me, the worst thing you can do if you claim to be scientific in your approach is to ignore evidence and that if the scientific method has value, it's because we look at things and we try to find patterns, we try to find consistency. Anyway, that's what these people have done in terms of examining near-death experiences, and there are hundreds of thousands globally of reports that are available for people to explore.
Speaker 1:Can I make just a note on that? Explore, can I make just a note on that? There's two big bodies of reports NDERF N-D-E-R-F, and IANDS I-A-N-D-S. And I just wanted to interject here because a lot of people will say to me well, they're probably just making it up. Those two bodies make it so long to put in your experience that um, and they vet they, they vet them, um, they make it so um in detail that, uh, you know, um, it know it's very little the amount of people that would go through the process to just make something up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they collect and categorize case studies, they put them together and publish them. They're very stringent in their methods. They insist that there's actual medical evidence of death before you can, even before you can even be considered to tell your story. Um, yeah, there's a real tendency to dismiss this stuff. The common is that when you, when you die, something happens to your brain and that creates all of this. And I guess I take again, I take offense to that because to me that's a scientific crime, because there's absolutely no evidence People have tried to determine is there a chemical that gets released in the brain of these people? They found absolutely no evidence of it whatsoever and yet people still go out and they they offer this as the explanation to dismiss people who come forward with near-death experiences. So we have this, this experience that has incredible consistency among people across cultures around the world, with proof of death collected in very scientific and stringent ways.
Speaker 2:And then people want to dismiss it out of hand with a completely non-scientific, non-proven, no evidence whatsoever. Dismissal of all. That's just a chemical in the brain.
Speaker 1:What I found interesting too sorry to interrupt is more and more what I'm hearing is that the death is not so. There's the brain death, which takes a little bit right, but people are up and out of the body at the heart death. So when the heart stops beating, you're out, not when the brain stops working. The body has its own processes, right, like we explained in the last. So when the heart stops and even before I won't go into all of it but the heart stops, um, you're right, right, uh, anyway, continue so anyway, there's, this is not, this stuff is not nice, non-scientific, and it's.
Speaker 2:It's okay if people say you know, um, you know, I'm not going to put any effort into researching that, that's okay. I really do believe that we are as beings. Our mind is a collection of programs that were given to us and they're given to us with love and we embrace them with love, which is part of my. You know, I love my mother. I admired my mother. I followed her. She seemed to have a real commitment to God and her church. I wanted to follow in that. I did follow, in that I became very, very curious about my church, about my experience, my religion. That caused me to do research. In doing that research, I tumbled across all kinds of things that were contradictory, you know, finding out that you know probably nearly half of the globe, global religions are accepting, if not promoting of the concept of reincarnation and reincarnation itself, you know, has a broad spectrum of interpretations and beliefs.
Speaker 2:But to see these ideas, to see these ideas widely held, to see them supported with the idea that people have died and come back, these were things that really caused me to question my own thoughts and beliefs. And it started something for me that I've never turned away from since, which is I started to trust myself. I started to believe in my own bullshit detector. I started to believe in my own ability to hear truth and be open-minded to it. Not that I was fast to change my opinion, but I think a lot of the time I find myself to be more willing to change my opinion than the average person. I see opinions as temporary things. I see opinions as a step along the path of discovery. I see what's much more important than my temporary opinion is my own curiosity to continue to look, to continue to discover, to continue to look for meaningful evidence that allows me a better opportunity to be right.
Speaker 2:I think one of the things that we do badly in our world, in our culture, is we really we idolize the idea of being right. We embrace the idea of being right as more important than being on a journey, more important than being in the process of exploration. More important than our curiosity is to be able to say I'm right, you're wrong. We take a great deal of power into ourselves when we believe that we are right, and what happens when you think you're right is you really do close the door to ever being right? Because once you formulate an opinion and you won't let go of it, then all the evidence in the world is going to come to you to help you learn and know and understand more.
Speaker 2:And you're so busy defending your opinion and this is where I see the world of bias you're so busy defending your opinion that you're missing out on the opportunity to really know the truth. You're missing out on the opportunity to really know what's right, and so for me, it's a much better methodology to say oh, that's interesting, when does that information come from? How is that collected? Is that credible, Is that meaningful? There's nothing wrong with being skeptical, there's nothing wrong with using your critical thinking, but it is a complete loss of your critical thinking abilities when you just rigidly stick to an established opinion. So, yes, I really believe seek and you will find and that's been a theme of my life and look within and.
Speaker 2:Then you, you're accessing stuff that I've really Decided to explore deeply with hypnosis, which is, you know, your higher mind, the part of you that sometimes can overcome that which Causes you to be afraid, the part of you that sometimes can overcome that which causes you to be afraid, the part of you that drives you forward in circumstances because of ideas and principles and and strong beliefs, that part of your mind that says keep going, that part of your mind that says there's more here and that's really caused me to become really curious. So in many respects I was unhappy with my life. I was unhappy with me and I decided to explore this thing about hypnosis. And I saw this peggy kelly, who turned out to be my hypnotist and then my teacher, and then really you know somebody that I really admire and skilled as a hypnotist and and prominent in our profession. Her signs were all over town and I just decided I'm gonna. I'm gonna explore hypnosis. There's a lot that I can't explain about my mind and I've done a lot of reading. I've been a child care worker, I learned about counseling, I've done a lot of exploring about the mind and this was sort of the next step and it was really a spiritual kind of step for me. But to cut to the chase, I signed up with Peggy for six sessions.
Speaker 2:On our first couple of sessions we regressed and I experienced moments early in my life that I didn't remember but as I recalled them, as they came back to me, I could see how instrumental they were in the way I felt about myself and the way I felt about the world, and that regression really helped me to reframe aspects of my otherwise rigid personality. But in the next three sessions and the process is really simple and if you ever come to hypnosis, you're going to hear me say this quite simply which is I'm going to count backwards from five, and when I get to one, we're going to hear me say this quite simply which is I'm going to count backwards from five and when I get to one we're going to be where this problem began. And that's just a nice little gentle way of regressing somebody. You get them to focus on their emotion, on that feeling that is interfering with their life, and you need to understand what it is and where it comes from. And that's the nature of regression and it's a simple, simple way of doing it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to count backwards from five and when I get to one, we're going to be right where it all began, and it's just five, four, three, two, one, be there, be there now. Are you inside or outside? Is it daytime or nighttime? Are you alone or with someone? What's happening? And in those sequence of questions, it's amazing what happens if you're in a deep enough hypnotic state. So Peggy did that to me, and three times I ended up in prior lives. Peggy did that to me, and three times I ended up in prior lives. Now I say it this way I know the difference between memory and imagination. I know when I sit and think in my mind and I try to imagine something new. I know where I go in my mind, I know how that feels, I know how that looks in my mind and I also know when I'm having memory.
Speaker 2:You know memory I search memory is much more like a tape recorder, it's much more like a database. It's it's you're going to something right. So I know the difference in my mind, my experience of remembering and my experience of creating, and these were clearly memories I didn't know I had. And through deep, deep focus and deep, deep hypnosis, I was able to go back and experience past lives. And it's, you know, I think Brian Weiss and Michael Newton said really interesting things. They said we don't know if past lives are real or not.
Speaker 2:What we know is they can be very therapeutic, and this was very therapeutic for me. But it was also very convincing for me to go back and experience a past life. To go back and experience a past life, um, and the vivid nature of it, the visceral nature of it, um, the smells that came to me in some, of the tastes that came to me in some, some of those experiences, um, the, the discovery of these personalities that were, yeah, on reflection, strikingly different from mine in any event, it was those experiences that really convinced me that I had had a number of prior lives.
Speaker 2:And then in our final session she took me to the life between lives the blue mist she called it then. There's a lot of words that people use to describe it, but it is the world that we come from when we decide to have these experiences in these physical bodies. And there's a hypnotist, michael Newton. His books are Journey of Souls, destiny of Souls. They're wonderful books and he's also written a book on how to do life between life, life hypnosis and Hillary and I are both trained in this now and it's really part of almost every client I have. We end up doing some aspect of going back and looking at the plan that led them into this life. But anyway, I've had that experience, I've had that training. I've read Michael Newton's books countless times. There are a number of other authors Robert Swartz who have used this kind of hypnosis to discover this world that exists like a point of departure for our lives.
Speaker 2:And the last thing I'd probably say very, very striking experience was I was going out to my son was living in Kelowna. He was in a play in a local theater. I promised him I'd come and see him. So I got on the plane and in Calgary we had to shift planes to the small plane to take us to Kelowna. I had been reading a bunch of very spiritual, hypnosis-based material. I was deep into my journey of understanding things. I'd even said to myself geez, I think I'd like a near-death experience, which is kind of disturbing, but it is nonetheless where I was in my mind at the time.
Speaker 2:And I got on the plane and every seat was taken except one, and so I had no choice. I got on that one. It was just a small plane. There were maybe 20, 30 people in it. It was just a short flight. Anyway, I got into the empty chair and there, sitting beside me, was a guy, his name was Jeremy, and Jeremy was reading a Buddhist book that I had read a few months before. And so, just because I was in that kind of open space in my mind, I turned to him and said what do you think of that book? And he started talking about it.
Speaker 2:He says but you know, my perspective is kind of strange. I said, oh really, how so? He said, well, because I died and he, there on this plane, shared with me his near death experience and I got to ask him questions about it and some of the things that stayed with me. You know, he said, on the other side, it's more real. I said, you mean like more intense? He said, no, much more, much more relaxing. Just, it's real. And you start to see how unreal this world is when you come back. And he said to me another thing that he said is that you know, this is the commercial meaning this life, this life you're in right now, this is the commercial.
Speaker 2:The movie, the big story is on the other side and these are, you know, in my quest, my journey of discovering what death really is. These are our critical points. Hillary and Les offer both in-person and online hypnosis services for clients all around the world. If that interests you, please visit our website wwwsomhypnosiscom and sign up for a free consultation or send us an email at info at somhypnosiscom. Hilary, I couldn't count the number of near-death experience videos you have watched and still watch. It's got to be in the thousands. The number of near-death books we have in the house is just uncountable. The amount of life between live books and information is right over the top.
Speaker 2:And in the end, as a result of this exploration. And again, seek and ye shall find right. I think there's real value in that. If you pose questions of the universe, the universe will bring you answers. You might not like them, you might not want to believe them. They might take stuff that you really really feel strongly about and just look you in the eye and tell you no, you're wrong. You're wrong. That's not going to be be helpful, and I suppose the last stage is a stage that we can both talk a little bit about.
Speaker 2:Recently, I've put a lot more effort into becoming in tune with spirit, listening, putting myself in a prayerful higher state and opening my mind to wisdom, and I'm going to say receiving from guides on the other side information that has been instrumental to my peace of mind, but striking in terms of some of the insights that it's brought me. And so I'll just say that you know people will call it channeling, people will call it channeling. I've become a real fan of truth. What is truth, what is true, what feels true, what makes sense, what activates all these deep, deep memories and awarenesses you have deep inside you? You start to realize just how trustworthy it is, and maybe I'll now pass that over to you. How does that? How does channeling today?
Speaker 1:I mean you're.
Speaker 1:You're publishing your channeling now, right yeah, actually I just did one this morning when I woke up, um to publish on Patreon. But uh, yeah, um, I listened to a book called you Are a Channel and I always forget her name, forgive me, I'll come back. You look it up. You Are a channel and it really gave me the insight and gumption comes to mind to try it out. Try it out.
Speaker 1:I knew that I had been channeling. I mean, after listening to the book, I thought hypnosis is channeling, right. If you're in the right space, you're channeling with your client. Your client is even at a level of channeling, channeling, right. So you're both in this channeling state. And so I I thought, uh, as I do, I'm just going to offer a channeling class, because now I'm a channel, all right. So I held a channeling class and that was just wonderful and we all got to try out channeling and different ways of channeling and um, at first.
Speaker 1:And, and still, I think my best channeling comes from either typing or writing. Um, I don't have the um, the oh man, there's a word that I'm not able to grasp, but I'm too scared to channel out loud right now. Basically, um, so I've been channeling through writing, through typing and uh, and offering that. At first I offered it to a small group of close friends through just email and now I offer it through Patreon and people know that they're getting it right, they sign up for it. And then I was asked recently, just out of the blue, to channel a chapter in a book, which was quite exciting.
Speaker 1:So I'm working on that now. But yeah, I really enjoy channeling and I find that each time I channel it's almost like I'm getting closer to that being or that collective and they're starting to speak a little differently through me. So even this morning's channel, I could go back to my first channel message and go oh wow, there's a big change here in the way that they're speaking. There's a big change here in the way that they're speaking, and maybe it's just me having the ability now to hear it in different kinds of words, you know, but anyway, is that what you were doing? It?
Speaker 2:well. I think that my real point is that when you start a true investigation, a true exploration, a decision that you want to know and understand more, that the information will come to you and you don't need to explain it any other way, than you're looking for it and you're going to notice it now, where, before you might have looked right past it, you can take that further and say, well, that's your journey and in fact life is going to bring you that which is to your benefit, that there are forces outside you that are acting. I think you can know and understand certain things. I have complete confidence that I did not start here and I will not end here. That doesn't mean that I'm not scared about what's going on here. It doesn't mean that I'm not intimidated sometimes by situations that are going on here. But I look at it differently.
Speaker 2:Certainly, to bring it back to my father's death, you know my father chose to end his life because he saw no quality in it. He was just suffering. He couldn't find a way to die. He literally was mentally trying Because medicine was doing such a good job of keeping him alive and he came to the conclusion that medicine was going to have to help him die, and that for some people, in their view of death, taboo, it's wrong, it's bad. For other people, you know, in my exploration of this, I've discovered that there are buddhist monks that will ceremonially plan to pass because they've learned everything they can in this life and they just want to get into the next one because their body's not capable of giving them the lessons that they feel like they need next, and they will end their lives for the sole purpose of reincarnating into the next one. And there are there are a number of confusions I think we have about death and our modern medical systems fight against it.
Speaker 2:It comes from a whole set of assumptions about death being the enemy, death being the end, and I think that if we were to embrace the idea that, although the body ends, you don't, if we were to embrace the idea that there's more to me than this body and that's been for me such a journey on hypnosis, with hypnosis within hypnosis, as a hypnotist, as a teacher, on hypnosis with hypnosis within hypnosis, as a hypnotist, as a teacher of hypnosis it's been such a part of my journey to know that I am not this body, that I am a mind that is part of mind and that, collectively, we can know, and that, collectively, we can know, and that my journey of allowing my deeper, higher, truer self to come through has helped me in understanding and coping with this physical journey.
Speaker 2:And based on this and so many other things that would turn this podcast into a day-long thing, I have become very confident that death is not an end, it's a transition, it's as natural as birth and it's as necessary as birth and it can be as painful as birth and that there's a lot that you can know that could change your mind about death.
Speaker 2:And I truly believe and I'm going through this myself right now, even at my age the more you accept the truths of death, not the falsehoods, the better able to live you are. What would you say you do differently now in living? Um well, I got a tattoo on my arm that says there is nothing to fear. And although my body mind has a hard time with that, my higher mind is very aware and there are so many sources of information, so many words out there that have been helpful to me. You know, I like Mike Dooley's words where he says everything's important but nothing matters, mm-hmm, I like them and you know, to see, this experience is very much a mind created simulation and simulation.
Speaker 2:Not that it's like something else, it is its own unique experience to live in this body, in this world, during these times of change and growth and human awareness expanding. There is nothing to fear, yeah.
Speaker 1:Maybe that could be the exclusive podcast for patreon is why did we choose to be here during this time?
Speaker 2:that for many of us. That's why we go to hypnosis, right, that's, we get clients you get tons of clients that come in and that that's all they want.
Speaker 2:What is my purpose? Why am I here? Right, um, and and having explored that question for so many people, including ourselves, um, the answer is just so damn simple. Right, it's to learn and it's to create, and it's a world of duality. So there's going to be stuff you call good and there's going to be stuff you call bad. There's going to be stuff you like, there's going to be stuff you don't like, because of duality. There's going to be hot and there's going to be cold, because that's the nature of this simulation it's not real, because that's not who you really are.
Speaker 2:And that's where hypnosis, over 20 odd years, has led me, and I'm grateful for it and I'm grateful to help others with it as they go on that journey. And I couldn't count the number of people that that I've taken into past lives and life between lives, who have gone from one particular, very rigid, very unhappy way of life to a much more open, creative and curious lifestyle. That certainly makes them a lot happier lifestyle. That certainly makes them a lot happier. But you know, I would never want to tell somebody what to believe, but I would always want to encourage people to explore and to use critical thinking and to trust themselves. We all have really good bullshit meters and to use critical thinking and to trust themselves. Yeah, you, we all have really good bullshit meters. Yeah, and when they're not working, it's because we've been fed a little too much of crap.
Speaker 1:Jello Kool-Aid yeah.
Speaker 2:Any final thoughts?
Speaker 1:Just that I've. Yeah, now you've got me thinking about what kind of crazy out there topic we could do for our Patreon podcast. But we'll leave that for them.
Speaker 2:Enjoy your mind.
Speaker 1:Yep, all right, I hope that helped See you later, thank you.
