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Harnessing the Healing Power: The Mind-Body Connection and Cellular Consciousness
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Can your mind heal your body? Join us as we unravel groundbreaking insights into the mind-body connection and its profound influence on health. Through captivating personal stories and cutting-edge science, we examine how acute and chronic illnesses can make us feel betrayed by our own bodies, leading to a cascade of mental health challenges. Explore how stress translates into physical symptoms like high blood pressure and digestive issues, and discover the incredible power of the placebo effect—the mind’s own tool for healing.
Uncover the hidden dynamics of cellular consciousness and learn how your mental state can affect even the most common ailments like colds. Hear about a client's transformative journey through cellular hypnosis, revealing how subconscious patterns impact health. We discuss how aligning your thoughts and intentions with your body can lead to profound physical changes and optimal health. This episode promises to shift your perspective on health and well-being, empowering you to harness the synergy between mind and body for a better, healthier life.
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Welcome and thank you for joining us for Coffee with Hilary and Les. Brought to you by the State of Mind Hypnosis and Training Centre located in the heart of the Kawartha Lakes, this is our almost daily community podcast about the mind and how we all might change it in the most simple and helpful ways. Every day we sit staring at the lake and sipping our coffee, chatting about hypnosis and how to make those meaningful adjustments to our state of mind, Because nothing's more important than your state of mind, because nothing's more important than your state of mind the doggy chewing her bone.
Speaker 1:Give the dog a bone. Yep, remember, mine's gonna think yeah might as well give it a bone, give it something good to think yeah dog, he's gonna chew.
Speaker 2:Give her a bone, she's happy she is the other bone we got her last week. Just fell apart, it just snapped in half so this one's stronger.
Speaker 1:Don't let your fingers get near her yeah, exactly so.
Speaker 2:today we're talking about how, through usually acute and chronic illnesses, we tend to turn against our body, or we actually think that our body has turned on us, this feeling like we're just not in control of what's happening any longer. I read a really interesting meme yesterday and it was quite simple and it made. All the sense in the world is that we can have 2,000 problems until our health is the problem, and then we have one problem, right.
Speaker 1:You know, the body really does dominate the mind, Right? I like to think of it that our mind is situated in our body and that body is well. It is responsive to everything around it. It is responsive to our mind. I mean, when you think about the subtle connection, you know the levels of mind you've got. You know the unconscious mind, the deepest part of your mind that actually is running the body, and you know your mind's involved with running the body, because all you have to do is think about something scary and your heart starts to speed up and your, your pupils dilate.
Speaker 1:So there's this you have a dream at night and you're doing nothing but lying in bed, but you break out in a sweat and your body is all clenched up. The body and the mind are deeply connected in ways that we're not even aware of. So to me it's so important to see these simple examples of how your mind is deeply integrated into your body and if my mind has the ability to mess with my functions, right. So many people have digestive issues that are complete they accept is a complete connection to stress, or they have circulatory issues like high blood pressure. I mean, I don't know how many people, probably three or four come to mind right off the top of my head, people I've worked with and helped them reduce their blood pressure, just with their mind right, you know, the connection between the mind and the body is really, really deep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I remember when I was going through um years ago when I had I mean, we never really figured it out what exactly it was, doctors didn't know, but, um, I'm gonna say it was a neurological sleep disorder, um and uh, basically I fell into this mindset of my body. I can't stand this body. I don't know what to do. Now it's turned against me and and hating it and not seeing a future any longer, any future of any sort. And I don't know when.
Speaker 2:I couldn't tell you the day, or even the month or a year really, but at some point I started to work with my body again and I started to come back on board with no, this body is not something to be resented. It hasn't turned against me, and I think a lot of that had to do with you helping me understand that what was happening was happening in my mind and the body was responding and then subsequently doing hypnosis. And here we are today. But yeah, it was definitely something that I went through and I see a lot of people going through it, a lot of people going through it so I think that there's these ideas that are out there, and what they are is.
Speaker 1:If you're into real science, then you're aware that just about every pharmaceutical certainly every pharmaceutical, and many, many natural remedies go through the process of testing. And what the testing is is really simple it's to prove that the, the particular substance is having an improvement on your body beyond placebo, right? So we have this idea of placebo and I think, um, it's a fact, it's it, it's a proven fact. Every time we do a medical study on any kind of pharmaceutical, on any kind of medicine, on any kind of remedy, if we're trying to prove that this thing works, what we do is create what they call a double blind. So a double blind simply means that there are two groups One group is going to get the medicine and one group is going to get the medicine and one group is going to get a placebo, a sugar pill, a fake medicine, a non interactive substance as it relates to this particular problem. And the reason it's blind is not, it's double blind, because not only is the subject not aware of what they're getting, whether it's the medicine or the placebo, but neither is the administrator, so the person who hands them the pill doesn't know whether they're handing them a placebo or the actual medicine, right? And so the person administering the medicine has no reason to think that they're giving a placebo or the medicine one over the other, which will control their interaction with it, right? So this is the standard format, and then what they're looking for is a significant improvement, a meaningful improvement in the condition. That is markedly more than the placebo effect, because the placebo effect happens every single time. Every single time they get a group of a couple of hundred people and they give a hundred people placebos. That the number varies between 5 and 15 percent, sort of. At a minimum, those people actually improve, thinking they're receiving the medicine and they're just receiving sugar pills and, as a result, they still get better.
Speaker 1:So this idea of the placebo effect is huge, in my opinion, when it comes to understanding the connection between the mind and the body, right, if we take that simple example. That said, you know I can increase my heartbeat. Biofeedback studies show we can just sit and think and increase our heartbeat, decrease our heartbeat, increase our breathing, decrease our breathing these things that are in that autonomic world where they take place automatically, and then we can actually heal taking sugar pills because we think we're taking medicine, because we're essentially being tricked into thinking we're taking medicine. This, to me, just opens the door door. So why aren't we looking quite deliberately at the effect the mind can have on the body and on the body's health? There's the flip side of placebo. There's nocebo. Do you remember that one?
Speaker 2:yes, nocebo is when told something, so it's not like a physical thing that we ingest.
Speaker 1:Not a pill. It's talking with a doctor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And the doctor just says hey, you have cancer, yeah, you have cancer yeah, and all of a sudden you start acting like you do that.
Speaker 1:There are countless stories where people have been told that they're ill when they're not, whether they got their tests mixed up or you know where the doctor has literally made a mistake or, more importantly, the doctors have suggested implications from these illnesses that are extreme, and the patient just falls right into an acceptance of that. So it's not just that you can get healthy from being told you're going to get healthy. You can get sick from being told you're going to be sick. The mind has that kind of power.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember. Just to give an example, I remember the medication that I was on and I hated it. I hated the medication that I was on and I hated it. I hated the is. I would imagine getting up and going through my routine of taking the medication and I would even go as far as just imagining like it was the medication was in my mouth and I was swallowing it, and I would just lay in bed the whole time just imagining this scenario, and then tell myself, because I did this every single time I took the medication. I would tell myself, okay, now I'm gonna sleep, now I'm, now I, now I can sleep. And it was amazing to me, the few times that I did it, that that I, I fell asleep. I fell asleep and I woke up, of course, not feeling like shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to me that's just such deep proof of the connection between the mind and the body, right and and how the mind really does control the body. And when you take these examples and you take these simple ideas, it leads us to a conclusion that people don't like, people resist, people get really upset with right, where they have to accept that they are responsible for the state of their body, that they're not a victim of their body, they're not a victim of their body, that their mind. Although you know, for most of us, controlling our own minds is just a whole lot of work, even if we can be just a little bit successful, we're working really hard at that. You know, this has been my quest for 20 more years is trying to figure out how to be in better control of my mind and thus improve my life. I mean, we talk about reframes, we use hypnosis, we use these techniques that really are meant to do that. They're meant to make adjustments to deep beliefs, deep understandings of ourselves and of our world that changes the way we interact with ourselves and the world, and others that are all around us notice those changes simply by making changes in our own mind.
Speaker 1:It's really, you know, it's really comfortable to say I live in a world that has disease. You know colds are out there, people catch colds, right. But what's amazing is to a person. Now, every time I see somebody who says I've got a cold, I just simply respond with things are pretty confusing right now and the reaction is yeah, how'd you know? Right, because colds come about when we're in a confused state. The mental state is one of confusion and it makes perfect scientific sense. The cold virus is out there everywhere, all the time. It's not like the cold virus disappears. It's out there on every surface. It's Everybody's passing it around and carrying it around. There are billions of people on this planet and the cold virus is thriving. But why is it that sometimes we become subject to it and other times, without any knowledge whatsoever, our body is fighting it off quite successfully. And why sometimes you can get a cold and it just suddenly goes away so quickly, right, and sometimes get a cold and it lasts for weeks.
Speaker 1:And it's frustrating because we're not really paying attention to what's going on in our mind, because we have been taught that you know, a runny nose and a cough is a disease that we need a pill for, but when we become aware that we become susceptible to colds when we're in a state of confusion, when things in our life are confusing and we're unsure what to do and we don't know what step to take, or even just as simply as we're doing something new and it feels confusing to us these new things that we're doing. Like everybody talks about September colds. Well, in September, everybody goes from holidays to work and sometimes people go back to school and sometimes people go to new schools and sometimes people go to schools that are now much harder because they go from grade school to high school. And oh, is it a big surprise that that these young people are walking around with colds in the fall? Not, to me, it isn't. It's no surprise and it's not.
Speaker 1:You know, anybody who understands how the mind works understands that placebo and nacebo are real. They're scientific facts, that they exist. It exists that you can take a sugar pill and heal as a result of it, because in your mind you do so. Yeah, it's a big step, it's a hard step. I don't like it. You know, I got up this morning and my shoulder was killing me and I know mentally what's going on for me and you know, quite frankly, I'm a bit of a mess and I know that mentally. But when I sit and I embrace the idea that I'm in control of my body, that my body has the capacity to heal very, very quickly, and I embrace the thought patterns that support that healing, I experience sometimes instantaneous health, instantaneous improvement.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's pretty amazing. When I work with people that are kind of circling back to being angry at their body, having this disconnect, because it seems like their bodies turned on them, I work in the you know, I just call it the cellular realm, all the way starting more and more to the energetic realm. And you and you know what's fascinating is that when we get there in our imagination, using the power of our imagination I mean we talk about thoughts changing how we feel, our imagination is working with that and when we get to the cells, let's say all the way down to that level, cells can actually feel emotion. It's like they have their own consciousness right. So we get there. And it doesn't surprise me in the least that when I say what does the cell look like? Or what do you sense from the cell, what's the cell look like? Or what do you sense from the cell, what's the emotion? Some say oh, it's a brown cell, it's kind of droopy like it's just not thriving. And it's amazing, after doing the work then to help the cell, that the cell changes. And we work to help change the cell, change the emotional, the emotion of the cell.
Speaker 2:And you know, I'll say to clients, which I think it's the truth. The more and more I work with clients, I believe this to be the truth is your subconscious mind can't hide from you, it can't lie to you. You can lie to me about what you're seeing or experiencing, but it cannot lie to you. So when a client says well, I'll say to a client well, what does the cell look like now after doing the work? Oh, it's feeling better.
Speaker 2:There's still something there, though there's still like a brown spot, let's say on the cell that you know. That tells me as the hypnotist okay, there's a little more work to do, right? And if the client was just going along for the ride and like, oh yeah, everything's better now, it wouldn't show as that right, it would show as this beautiful cell that's healthy and vibrant. So I always, really I try my best to trust in the subconscious mind of the client and always go with what they are experiencing and seeing. But it is amazing how much cells, your body, wants to be heard, it wants to be loved, it wants to be shown appreciation, it wants to trust you. Again, right, there's a, there's trust sometimes that needs to be built, um, but it never wants to turn against you.
Speaker 1:Well, and and it's not that it's turning against you, it's that it's manifesting what's in your mind. Just as an example, you had a client and this is to me that a lot of this stuff is intuitive, and a lot of people that were, who are listening to this, are just going to say yeah, yeah, I agree, and some people are going to go no way, because some people don't, they don't want to feel like they're responsible for their own illness and it isn't.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't put it as responsibility. I put it as a thought pattern. I have a thought pattern, I have an understanding that might not be correct. I have a way of thinking that's not helping me and that way of thinking is deep within my whole being, which includes this body, and that thought pattern is affecting the body. You had a client that you did cellular work with and it made a huge difference and you talked about it on a TikTok.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And hundreds of thousands of people watched it. I think because they intuitively know that there's a lot to that right. There's a lot to understanding the thought patterns that we hold and how they connect.
Speaker 2:I mean you said it.
Speaker 1:You know, I believe that consciousness takes a lot of forms. It's not just human beings walking around saying look at me, I'm a human. There's a lot of elements to consciousness, maybe awareness, maybe a beingness. But when I work with my clients on these kinds of things, we talk about how every cell has its own consciousness. Every cell in your body has its own purpose. Even when it's lined up with a bunch of cells just like it, each one is doing its function in its way for the whole of the tissue, for the whole of the organ, for the whole of the system and therefore the whole of the body. You know, we started off as two cells, right? Two cells that came together and differentiated, right?
Speaker 1:Science can observe all the different chemical reactions that come about in that massive differentiation of cells through the process of pregnancy and the process of fetal development. They can observe it, but haven't yet explained it, like why does it happen? What compels it to happen? Why does it happen, right? What compels it to happen? Um, and you know, I'm going to suggest I'm not the first one to suggest it, of course that that's just consciousness. Each cell knows what it's there to do. Each cell has a role to play. And so you can, you know, and we do this in hypnosis if you can understand the consciousness or for, for a lack of a better word the mind of each cell, you can first of all, like you do, get information from that cell. The cells will actually, you know, tell the story. Cells actually tell you what caused them to be misfiring, misfunctioning yeah, so I'll use.
Speaker 2:I guess I'll use that example Um, cause I've already shared it. Um is basically the person had uh, they were, they were working out really fit, but they had this front part of them that was holding on to weight still. And so we went there. We went to the cells in that area of the body, and how we get there is just through intention. There's no special way of getting there, it's just intention of going to that specific part. Intention is amazing. So we go there and we ask the cells, we ask the cells, the cell in charge. Sometimes I'll say what are you holding on to, what are you holding on to? And show us what you're holding on to. And so let's go back in time to where this holding on to extra weight came from. And so we went back in time to a time where there was a puncture in that spot. They were young, they were in their teenage years, and there was a puncture and there was a subsequent surgery. So the cells thought you know that that space in the body needed extra care in case something ever happened to it again.
Speaker 2:Now we worked with the cells just saying it's okay, you can let this go now, that's not going to happen again. That was a one-time thing and it's safe to let it go. It's okay to let it go. And they came in I don't know, I think it was like a month later and uh, and they exclaimed how they they lost the way they waited because they were, they were an avid person, like working out, um, uh, and so they just lost the weight. It was incredible and I did research afterwards that was one of my first cellular hypnosis sessions, let's say and I did research afterwards and learned that cells do, at a scientific, let's say, level, will hold on to inflammation to protect that part of the body, and that protection can last a very, very, very long time, very long time.
Speaker 2:So it's about really siding with the cell, siding with just getting them on board with the knowledge that it's okay now. It's okay, time has passed, that was a one-time thing. I even had somebody who, again back to the belly, the, the belly, uh, where we tend to hold on weight, the pouch we call it Um, I had one woman go back in time to where she was pregnant and her body loved being pregnant and so she wanted that at the subconscious level, at the cellular level, to, to, to stick to stick around um and we did the work there. But yeah, it's just incredible what um, yeah, what the body holds on to in terms of the cellular um network well, I've had all kinds of success.
Speaker 1:Just, you know, just explaining these ideas to clients and it just opens their eyes and they, you know we'll go in and we'll quite literally just activate all the cells. Every cell knows what it's there to do and if you're not feeling perfect health it's because the cells aren't being allowed to do what they're there to do. And quite literally, just going head to toe with people and saying we're just going to tell all the cells and give them permission and encourage them and support them to just start doing exactly what they were meant to do. And you know, clients just love that. They come back weeks later and they just say you know, can we do that thing again?
Speaker 1:Because that was, I felt, really good for days and days after that. There's all kinds of people who write about this stuff the mind-body connection and the emotional, mental component to illness and some of them get dismissed. You know a lot of people like to call this pseudoscience dismissed. You know a lot of people like to call this pseudoscience and you know my immediate reaction to them, of course, is the most mainstream science in medicine are these double-blind studies. Every single one has proven the existence of the placebo effect, which proves the ability of the mind to stimulate healing. This is scientifically proven every time we do a study. How can it be pseudoscience to suggest that we can understand how placebo works and how we might be able to make use of it? But when anybody sort of balks at this, I say well, let's conduct an experiment. Nobody can tell you better how your body works than you. No one can advise you better than you the state and strength and state of health of your body. So why wouldn't you conduct your own experiment for your own purposes, for your own health? If you make use of some of this technique and it actually helps you be healthier, then who cares what anybody else says? Really, quite literally like that's a waste of time to let somebody else convince me that what I've experienced isn't real, and so I suggest it to everybody. Some people will conduct that experiment and maybe there won't be a positive health effect, and God bless them off. They go Live your life. You're going to live the life you're meant to live, in my opinion, and you know I offer what I can offer in hopes that it helps.
Speaker 1:There's great resources out there. You know writers like Lise Bourbon and Bruce Lipton and, of course, louise Hay, who's, I think, for most people who have embraced this way of thinking, she kind of represents the earliest reintroduction of these ideas into society. And that's the trick is understanding that these ideas are very old. You know, hundreds, thousands of years ago, medicine included a mental, emotional element all the time, and I think if you're a medical practitioner, I mean, nothing stops you from including this. Nobody is suggesting don't administer the regular medical treatment, but you can still have a positive effect by changing the words you use, by making suggestions, by offering thoughts, affirmations that are positive. I mean, how can you go wrong thinking a positive thought Like, how can that be in any way hurtful? Right, and you know, I know there's some people who would try to figure out a way that it's hurtful, but it's. It's generally, you know, a very positive thing. So I suggest you just try it for yourself.
Speaker 1:You just embrace the idea that you control your body, your mind is in control of your body, that the dysfunction of your body can be affected by your mind proven by the placebo effect and that you can change what you think. You can change how you think. So you know, louise Hay has her little book heal your body. It's got a chart in it. Every time a client comes in and says, oh, I've never heard of that, I hand them the book and they we lose a half an hour at the session right there because they're just deep dive into the book, reading everything they can, flipping from condition to condition and recognizing in themselves sort of a sympathetic vibration to these ideas. And then, of course, they all go out and buy their own copy of the book. I've lost dozens of copies of this book, lending it to clients. I don't do that anymore. But it's not an expensive book. It's $17 on Amazoncom. Heal your Body by Louise Hay. It's $17 on Amazoncom. Heal your Body by Louise Hay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just want to set up a scenario for people in their minds to really grasp this, and I want you to imagine that your cells in your body are suffering. Right, you've got something going on and the cells in that area of the body are sad, they're holding on to something, and now you're telling them literally, through thought or out loud, when we're so frustrated with ourselves, that you're bad. Right that I recently read something where someone calls their body a jerk. Right, like, imagine, imagine telling a part of you that's suffering, that's holding on to something, that they're a jerk, or they're bad, or otherwise.
Speaker 2:When you put it into that context, you start to feel compassion, and compassion is where you want to be. It's what you want to be with your body. You want to be compassionate and, believe me, I've been there. It's hard when you feel like every day it's working against you, but there's a message from your body for you and it's just about finding out that message and that's about just spending some time whether it's in hypnosis or meditation or in silence just connecting and reconnecting to the body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's hard to take that step, to embrace that you are in control of your body. You are in control of your body Even with thoughts that you don't know. You have understandings you're not conscious of. At the same time, there's not a lot of joy in life if you don't see your body as a source of joy, as something that you can shape and change and turn into what you want. I mean, there are people who are deeply embracing that. They're going to the gym every day and they're lifting weights and they're changing their shape. There are people out there taking supplements and, you know, enjoying everything from, you know sound baths to vibrational healings. They're out there, most importantly, loving their body and doing what they can to care for their body.
Speaker 1:It's a neat reframe to say and I say this every day in the shower as a reminder I am not this body. This body has nothing to do with who I really am. I control this body. I create this body with my mind and I will take care of it. My body is joy, and I've really shifted to that second part more recently, rather than just say I'm not this body, I shape this body, I enjoy this body, I am living in this body and the phrase my body is joy is a is a nice kind of reframe that puts a real, a tangible when you spend the time to really think at a tangible sensation into the whole of your body, feel the words my body is joy, I live in this body. These kinds of reframes have a huge impact on just your mental state, your state of mind, and it's worth embracing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's something that comes to mind that just sort of fell out of my mouth months ago, and there's a client of mine that when it happened, she really took it on and really loved it. She wrote it on her board in her room. The saying goes my mind renews my body, my body renews my life Nice, and she really enjoyed that Nice. So, yeah, just thoughts to chew on.
Speaker 1:You own your mind and you own your body and nobody can tell you what's what. I hope this stuff helps and it causes you to embrace what control you have over your body.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, reconnect. Reconnect with your cells, with your body, with your energy. All right, have a good day. We hope you enjoyed today's podcast and that maybe it helped even a little. If you have any questions, we would love you to send them along in an email to info at psalmhypnosiscom. Thank you for being part of the State of Mind community. For more information about hypnosis and the various online or in-person services we provide, please visit our website, wwwpssomhypnosiscom. The link will be in the notes below. While you are there, why don't you book a free one-hour journey meeting with Hilary or Les to learn more about what hypnosis is and how you might use it to make your life what you want it to be? Bye for now. Talk to you tomorrow.
