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Part Two: Near-Death Experiences and the Essence of Love
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Can the mystery of near-death experiences offer us a glimpse into the eternal nature of our existence? This episode tackles that profound question head-on. Join us as we share our insights as hypnotists and delve into the fascinating realm of near-death experiences (NDEs) beyond the life review. With a focus on the invaluable work by organizations like IANDS, which provide credible and rigorously vetted NDE accounts, we reflect on the deep-seated human curiosity about what lies beyond death. We challenge societal programming that often dismisses these ideas, encouraging a more open-minded exploration of life after death.
Love, in its most expansive and multi-dimensional form, takes center stage as we explore how it's experienced during NDEs and meditative states. Hear stories of encountering light and guides, often described as a journey toward a pinpoint of light that feels like a return home. Through poignant personal anecdotes, including the collective experience of witnessing a loved one's passing, we highlight universal themes of transition and the comforting presence of guides. Our discussion underscores the transformative impact of these profound experiences, revealing the common threads that bind us all in the face of life's deepest mysteries.
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Speaker 2:Beautiful day, beauty day. All the rain in the night left everything wet.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But shiny in the sunlight.
Speaker 1:Can't mow the lawn yet.
Speaker 2:Not yet Soon yeah.
Speaker 1:So today we are doing kind of a part two, I guess, of the NDE near-death experiences. We seem to have a lot of people interested in that Seems to be climbing the charts, our charts, in our made-up land. Um and uh, I just, you know, we focused on the life review in the last episode, but there's so many other things that happen in a near-death experience that I thought it would be kind of fun to do another episode on it well, it's interesting.
Speaker 2:You know, I always try to remember to think like a hypnotist, because hypnotist is always going to think of the mind having depth, right that there's a lot more in there, there's a lot more to you, and I really think that people have a lot more awareness and knowledge available to them than they're able to access from their conscious mind. And you know, I think that these kinds of topics, you know, we as hypnotists we just naturally go there because as we explore the mind, this stuff comes out. As we go deeper into people's minds and help them sort of figure out whys of their behavior and the whys of their emotions, they discover these things. And I don't think it's a coincidence that hypnosis has had a huge impact on people's general popular awareness of this idea that we're eternal beings, that these lives are temporary things and they're not really the heart of the matter.
Speaker 2:I told my story the other day about Jeremy on the plane. One of the most important things Jeremy said to me that really has stuck with me and this is the way he said it. He said over there is the movie, these are just the commercials, and it was a really neat way of saying like that's where we exist, these lifetimes that we incarnate into, they're just temporary, short learning periods and that really, who we are is based over there, and I think that that's why people are just so naturally drawn to this topic, even if they want to just dismiss it, even if they just, you know, it ticks them off sometimes. I think that that there's this natural desire to know more. Yeah, and I think that you know, watching you over the last 10 years and we should, we use the word obsession. Is that a good?
Speaker 1:word. In the beginning it was an obsession. Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, I would. Yeah, there was a lot less content in terms of video content, um, ians and ender had lots of readable content, um, but uh, in terms of youtube content, there wasn't. There wasn't much. So I blasted through it in a matter of, I'd say, months and then tried and tried to find more content. But it was usually someone like you would look up near death experience on YouTube and it would just be somebody talking about you know how they, how they went out for you know surf, some waves and they fell off their board and like, like that was it. You know near-death experience, but it wasn't. You know the people talking about actually coding. You know dying.
Speaker 2:Why don't you talk about those organizations?
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. So IANS is probably the largest near-death experience association in the world, I would imagine. It's the International Association for Near-Death Experiences and they have a conference every year in late August, early September, late August, early September and basically it's kind of a hub for all information on near-death experiences. If you've had an experience, you can go there and sign up and put in your information.
Speaker 1:Now I want to make this very clear to people, because a lot of people when I, when I talk about this, including someone the other day, they just think, well, I bet you, a lot of them are made up. Now, absolutely like I'm not dismissing that, some maybe are made up, made up. Iands and NDRF are both very thorough. If you're about to make up an experience and put it on there, you're about to go through a huge questionnaire right, like a questionnaire that would make you go, okay, I don't want to just, this is too much, this is too much to make up and put it out there to the world. They're very thorough with their questions and and so you know, for me, I I'm happy about that, because when I'm reading something or I'm listening to something through their website, I I feel like, okay, yeah, this person actually had the experience and they also seem to you know what I've seen is there.
Speaker 2:They want to see medical evidence of clinical death oh yes they don't.
Speaker 2:You don't just sort of say look, this happened to me. It's like, okay, well then there'll be records. The doctor will have records. They would have called you dead. They would have that written down on a chart. Get copies of your charts and send them in because they want to. You know, make sure they're doing it. I just you know when. As soon as you said that you know, there is a natural tendency, I think, just as much as there's a natural tendency that deep in our subconscious minds were aware of this and that's why we're drawn to it and want to know more. There's also some really solid programming that we go through in our lives, where these ideas of of their being life after death, that that death does not include who you are, it's only just the body. This flies in the face of a lot of programming, and so when people come to these sort of simplistic dismissals oh geez, there's people just make that stuff up. Or when, when they say, oh well, you know there's explanations for that stuff.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I just see that again as a hypnotist. I just see that as resistance. Right when this kind of stuff comes out, there's a real desire to not reconsider all your deepest beliefs. There's a real desire when somebody comes along and brings you something that would change your view of yourself and your view of your life, there's an automatic subconscious resistance that's gonna pop up and it's and when you examine that the kind of rationale that your subconscious mind kicks up as a way to resist this. It's really kind of childish. It's really kind of simplistic. There's not a lot of thought there, you know, it's just I'm gonna resist this. It's really just sort of a statement of I'm not gonna take this on, I'm not gonna believe this, because you know it just required too much other work for me to figure out all these things. I think I know and believe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. If I think back, I went through so many different kinds of emotional experiences watching these and starting to delve into that world. There was disbelief, there was fear that came up. There was fears surrounding stats about it, like only a certain amount of people recall when asked, and so you know is it real asked? And so you know, is it real if a portion of the population doesn't recall that are asked and through, you know I could have stopped there and spent the rest of my life in fear about that.
Speaker 1:But as you delve even further into it, you notice even more like people being told in that realm you know, well, you have to go back, over and over and over. People are like those specific words right, you got to go back. There's things, there's more for you to do. Basically, you have to return. Right, you're meant to return. And I saw in many cases people being told okay, you have to return, but you're not going to remember this part of this experience. You get to remember this part, you don't get to remember this part, and they come back and they can't recall that part, but they do recall other parts. So, all in all, you know when I think about it that way. You know, maybe those people are having an experience and they're just not meant to recall it in this lifetime experience and they're just not meant to recall it in this lifetime.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, that is, when you examine near-death experience, you're obliged to consider the life between lives, and that leads you to asking the question, you know, why don't we, when we come here and incarnate, why don't we remember all our past lives? It's really kind of you know, obvious that if we're coming here to learn and have new experiences, having old experiences in our memory is just going to clutter it up. It's going to take away from the intensity and the depth of the experiences that you're going to have here.
Speaker 2:So it really, I think it really accentuates the idea that our memory when we come here, our ability to know who we are, what we are, is not there, which is why we're so susceptible to programming as human beings in terms of our subconscious mind collecting a view of the world religions for lack of a better word in the world it's really Christianity is the only one that sort of denies this reincarnation idea and it didn't always deny the reincarnation idea and it didn't always deny the reincarnation idea.
Speaker 2:It was relatively.
Speaker 2:You know, if you think of Christianity over the last 2,000 years, it was relatively recent in the last 500 years, christianity that they went out of their way to really say no to the ideas of reincarnation.
Speaker 2:Which means that you know, if there's a billion Christians on the planet, 7 billion people on the planet who are open to this idea, right, it's amazing the power of the Western world and the Western industrialization and media ization. You know the amount of media we have to get ideas out and to really shape public opinion. That that's really potent stuff and for many people all it takes is an hour sitting in a hypnosis chair and a lot of that programming starts to come under really serious question. You know, to find yourself in a past life, to find yourself in the life between lives, and hypnosis session really takes a lot of that base programming that we've received since we got here and gives it a good shake yeah you know, just again thinking like a hypnotist yeah, yeah, um, yeah, and I thought like people might be interested in hearing other fundamental characteristics of near-death experiences.
Speaker 1:So we talked about the life review in the last one, other things that happen. I mean everyone well, not everyone but the what would you say? Like the tunnel of light, right, like that whole, that old saying, like go to the light. That tunnel of light, light is a is a big thing that goes across experiences, and I think I mentioned the other day just the love that is within that light, and I say love, uh, lightly, because it's, it's it's really indescribable, um, you know it's not like Indescribable. You know it's not like, oh, I love you and you feel close to somebody. It's an all-encompassing emotion that permeates every cell, every piece of energy, yeah, of you, piece of energy.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean yeah, love is a huge idea that we don't. I don't know that we understand it very well and I think that we we really would be served to spend a lot of time dwelling on the concept of love and the dimensions of love and the way we love. We talked a bit about it on the podcast. We'll. We'll do it some more. Um, I just think love is, uh, there's a lot more to love than sort of that human affinity and affection yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:The feeling is like and I I say this because I I experienced it for a brief moment, if I was to explain it it's almost like your energy is infinitely expanding across the universe and any being within that universe. That is of love. You just feel like everything's going to be okay and you're, you're feeling like they're just all hugging you. It's just it.
Speaker 2:It, yeah, it's impossible to explain really yeah, I've had that experience a couple of times, generally in sort of calm, silent, meditative states, and it is overwhelming. It is like a massive reset, like a massive reset. Um, for me it was a couple of times. In the most recent time it was like it. It really impacted me. For days I didn't even. It wasn't even something I was striving for, looking for, expecting Um and um. Yeah, I think that love is the creative force. Yeah, I think that love is the creative force. Love is the expansive force. Love is the deepest appreciation. Love is the expression of who we really are. Yeah, there's a lot of dimensions to love and I get excited when I think about. You know, when I die, that will be my generalized experience. Like that's, that's pretty cool, like yeah, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:I find a really interesting. What I find really interesting and I noted it and I'm sure other people that actually you know researched NDEs maybe have noticed this as well be, in terms of the light right. A lot of people when find themselves in like a, a dark space that is termed so far the void, and this isn't a place to be scared of. It's very, um, in their terms, kind of warm and inviting, and you're surrounded by almost like this velvety, purple, dark, black light, and it's interesting to hear that the darkness is actually light and I can't wrap my mind around that, but that's how they describe it.
Speaker 2:I've heard it called the blue mist.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and in that, usually you're looking around, they search for a body.
Speaker 1:They don't have a body, and then they look off into the distance and there's just this pinpoint of light, and this is described over and over and over again I can't even tell you how many times, with different people and the light, um, suddenly it feels like you're on a, it's like a tractor beam and you're going towards this light and it's becoming bigger and bigger, faster, faster and faster, um, and then you find yourself in the light.
Speaker 1:Now, an interesting thing that I noted, which I was talking about just a few seconds ago, was this light, and what I've heard many times is the light as they're passing, being in the top right-hand corner of the room that they're in right, in the top right hand corner of the room, that they're in right. So why the top right hand corner? I don't know. I don't know, but that's fascinating to me, that a bunch of people have said that right, um, a lot of people during surgeries find themselves, uh, if there's a an issue in the surgery, find themselves up above their body, looking down from like ceiling height, um, and there's often a guide there, not a fully formed guide, but a presence that you feel like you're with at the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm prompted to share something. We had a wonderful. I'm going to say it was wonderful. Some people might think that's nuts. We had a wonderful experience of my mom's passing away. It was beautiful in that we were all there. So my mom had six kids, so there were six of us there plus my dad.
Speaker 2:We were all in the room.
Speaker 2:She was dying of lung cancer and it had been a long process and we just all somehow knew that this was it, this was the day, this was the night, and we all converged and we just all somehow knew that this was it, this was the the day, this was the night, and we all converged and we were all there, we were all in the room and we were all sitting around her in the room and she was lying, you know, on her back on the bed and we all sort of knew she was gone.
Speaker 2:And the instant we all knew she was gone, we were all driven to look up to the left, to a corner of the room. We were all just sort of drawn, you know, we even talked about it like she's up there and that would have been for her upwards, to the right, right, and so it was just to confirm that it was just, and every one of us had that same sort of un, you know, unprompted um sense of awareness that she had moved out of that body and up there and it was a, it was um of that body and up there and it was, it was.
Speaker 1:It was a beautiful moment to be there together, all loving her and all knowing that she was safe yeah but she was moving on yeah, yeah, so many things to unpack there, right, if we were to go down that road, yeah, beautiful. There's also things like meeting guides in the light. Meeting guides, meeting loved ones, this sense of home. A lot of people talk about how they get there and you can imagine, you just had a lifetime, right, and you're still sort of you're kind of disoriented right when you get there sometimes. But there's this feeling like I've been here before. Right, I've been here before. I don't know how I know that. And these guides, I feel like I know them. They feel like best friends, but you're not quite sure yet who they are, because you're still sort of coming out of the life right, you haven't fully integrated. So you know absolutely. There's just, there's just so many things that run through NDEs that it's it's almost I mean, it's almost impossible to disregard them if you're open to listening.
Speaker 2:Well, it's just so consistent, isn't it? Yeah, it's so consistent. The same sort of steps and the same kinds of experiences of emotion and the same kinds of communications right, kinds of communications, right. Like you know, to keep in mind, all of these people were not allowed to go through the next steps. That would would also be probably very consistent and certainly very, you know, when you look at michael newton's work, um, and robert schwartz's work, right, this other side is a very, very stories are very consistent.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, books that are interesting. That got me into this. Definitely Anita Morjani, dying to be me. She had stage four cancer running through her whole body, um, and she died in the hospital and in her death she was sent back, wondering at that moment when she was really relating to the beings there, to the light, to what was surrounding her, how am I supposed to go back to that body? And when she came back, I mean the healing that happened I forgive me, I can't remember how many weeks, but she was completely, you know, there was no cancer in her body weeks after coming back.
Speaker 2:And there are a number of reports. If you go through the NDE sort of archives, there are a number of reports of people whose bodies were, yeah, for all intents and purposes, not functional anymore, yeah, injured so badly, where there were these spontaneous you know doctors were baffled like it was just these spontaneous healings where the body was suddenly functional again as soon as the person reentered it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and again to talk about Robert Schwartz amazing books His are talking about, not really NDEs per se but planning. Yeah, which is a whole other. That's amazing.
Speaker 2:And then the value of certain kinds of experiences. You know, like what we might call. You know unhappy lives, or negative experiences, or horrible experiences. You know his books help to describe the kinds of learning that is waiting behind those experiences, why our souls would choose to have such an experience yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely worth checking out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that covers yeah, talk about um, yeah, I think so. If you guys have interest in it, I would check out YouTube and maybe you know some books.
Speaker 2:Just look up near-death experiences there's lots of names of IANS and that again oh yeah, so IANS is IANDSorg stands for.
Speaker 1:International Association of Near-Death Studies, and then there's NDERF. So NDERF is N-D-E-R-F dot org and that's the near death experience research foundation. So both quality websites have been around for a long, long time I can't remember it.
Speaker 2:There's a dutch doctor professor who's got into this stuff over the last 30 years. His books darn it. I can't remember his name. I bet you, if you just Google Dutch professor who studies near-death experiences, it would come up and he's been studying them as a researcher at a Dutch university. Anyway, really interesting guy and I read some of his stuff. I actually heard him speak somewhere.
Speaker 1:Dr Pim van Lommel Sounds right. I didn't just take that off the top of my head, I looked it up. Oh, yes, that Pim van Lommel. No, yeah, that's interesting. I'll have to look him up now.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen him before surprisingly, there's a lot of information out there.
Speaker 1:Very cool yeah. If you guys have any questions, just send us an email. Info at psalmhypnosiscom.
Speaker 2:And if you've had such an experience, well, we send you our love.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Okay. See you later.
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